Tuesday, July 21, 2009

BWAP! Right in the Face!

So I go check out FHOTD today and what hits me right in the face when the page loads......more shit being flung!

It never ceases to amaze me that FHOTD brings out this kind of hostility amongst it's readers.

What is it about that blog that no one can get past the bullshit and stick to the topic at hand?

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CharlesCityCat said...

JR:

Many of us know that it was me who posted those comments she made on the Manure Pile.

I did so because I felt she was very two-faced in her dealings with people. I hate two-faced people with a passion.

It was a number of us loyal, regular posters who made that blog what it was and consequently allowed it to be attractive to having advertisements posted there.

What she said was an insult to the very people who were so loyal and supportive of her, even when she got way out of line.

The comments she posted to the Manure Pile showed me what a poor business person she is. It is really stupid to insult the very people who have made your business possible. I deal with business numbers every day of my life, and I am talking mulit-millions of dollars. We don't get that kind of money by being nasty to our customers/patients. Fugly committed what can only be described as business suicide.

Now, let us just review the fact that Fugly claims to be responsible with donation money. Personally, I would never donate even a dime to someone who has so little grasp on the reality of money management.

And finally (I am sure you are all breathing a sigh of relief on that one), if you were so unhappy about the track your blog was taking, why wouldn't you just be honest with your followers. To me, this screams lack of character, low class PWT behavior.

Oops, thought I was done but I guess not. I have really bad issues with self-rightous, hypocritical people with tunnel vision who cant't see or admit that someone else might know more than you. The inability to recognize our own flaws will get someone nowhere but in major trouble. That explains alot about Miss Mam.

I guess I am done now.

CNJ, I have a confession to make to you and JR, way back, during the nasty times on FHOTD, it was me who asked where you and JR were. I did not ever intend that to be a nasty comment. I wanted your input as people who had been on the blog for quite some time and knew a bunch of us as regulars. Mel (AMM) made me realize that the way I worded my request was probably not one of my most brilliant moments. For any offense that was taken, please except my apologies.

I have come to understand, that sometimes my delivery of my thoughts is not so good.

BuckdOff said...

O.K> 1st!!! what is it? It's the entity known as Dena, she won't go away. She pisses everyone off by droning on and on about the same tired crap. I don't know if she's jealous or just a bitch, but some of us are now entertaining ourselves by answering her lame ass posts. we don't care about Cathy's personal life, really, most of us just want to blog about horses and she ruins it, the battle axe.. .AARGH..

CharlesCityCat said...

OMG, after all of that, I am still first?

SCORE!!!

***runs back into the bedroom so that JR doesn't smack my noggin for being immature***

BuckdOff said...

Guess I'm not first, Got to go..

CharlesCityCat said...

Sorry Buckd, it was me who was first, Dena hasn't come here yet. I believe she is at work.

JohnieRotten said...

Ccc

No apologies needed. We just wanted to stay out if it as we thought thAt was the best way to go. It just gets to the point that there is no point.

I would rather be friends than enemies as I feel everyone has something to offer.

And yes we said some bad things that we wig we had not. For that we apologize.

Dena said...

And just because I can.

For anyone who would like to contact Cathy Atkinson directly or have her served.

Here is her most current address

c/o Broad Acre Farm
27929 NE 100TH ST.
Carnation WA 98014

and the exact web address to see what Cathy has been doing and promoting is

www.offourrockerranch.com

yes. it is beautiful. They even deliberately*gasp* breed grade horses.
Sport horses.
Mustangs, Paints, etc....
Kolor breeding, grade horses being bred, oh my...

Yes, because it does not matter what fugly herself does.
It just matters what she says about others.

Dena said...

And because I am an asshole with an axe to grind.

Cathy works at Petco part time. And if you go to the for sale page of the website above you will see Cathy herself doing what she doesn't do best.

And it amazes me that anyone could defend this bitch as being in any way credible with regard to her presentations.

Dena said...

Okay...rant over. I feel so much better now.
I also did a feature on http://livingbeyondthebream.blogspot.com

With pictures.

You know JR I am pretty sure I am going to be over it shortly.
Thank you so much for creating this place to vent.
I mean that sincerely.

thecityhorse said...

dena, at first i totally thought you had some good points... to bad you seem more like a raving lunatic with each passing moment. be like every smart celebrity after a break down... disapear and come back when you've had some rehab.

SFTS said...

rosesr4evr wrote:
I might be wrong, correct me if I am, but isn't this the girl who has a restraining order or an order of protection on you for harassment??
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Roses, please actually do a little bit of research (the more exhaustive the better) to gain information in order to post from an *educated* point of view before attempting to stir the pot again. It won't leave you looking like such a...well, fill in the blank with whatever works.

Yes, buckinbo and her mother pursued a temporary restraining order [TRO] against me for the very things she has done to myself and my family.

There is one reason such was granted and one reason alone ~ I could not be in court on the day in question, as I was taking a client's horse to the veterinarian and that conflict presented an impossibility to be in two places at once.

Let me say this one time, so it's very clear:

In California, a TRO is issued so that the person whom has the order against them cannot make direct contact with the "protected individual", by means of personal contact (face to face), telephone, postal mail, email or otherwise electronic...in other words, at this point in time while the order is in effect I cannot~ 1), go to her home, 2), call her, 3), mail her a letter or 4), email her or otherwise PM her directly.

The above described order IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM prohibits me from speaking about what I see posted online, nor speaking out online, nor even mentioning her name or screen name.

SFTS said...

rosesr4evr wrote:
How in the hell did you get a TRO put against you? I really hope that you knew this person in real life and that this wasn't a result of bullying someone you don't even know personally or didn't until they were featured on this blog.
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LOL...and you say you don't parrot what Dena says. ROTFL!

No roses, the TRO has nothing to do with FHOTD at all, whatsoever. That situation stems from a discussion on another forum and is in no way, shape or form related to FHOTD.

Yes, I know this person personally. She lives in the same town I do. Even stopped by the facility I used to train out of at least 1.5 years before I had ever even heard of FHOTD. I was the "easy target", so to speak, and she thought by seeking a TRO that it would shut me up and frighten me. Her actions did not have the desired effect.

Interestingly enough the lies told by the opposing party during the initial ex parte hearing (and no doubt repeated during the follow-up hearing when I could not attend) were incredible in scope and nature. Accusing *me* of the very things *she* (and her mother) have done.

Which includes:

Riding her horse on my neighbor's private property to ride along my fence line past my horses. There was much digging and stalking in order to even find my physical address, which is nowhere on the internet.

Calling CPS on my family against my daughter (yes, I have the paperwork to prove it along with a statement by the assigned caseworker that there was nothing whatsoever wrong and the call was frivolous).

Calling animal control on me related to the care of my horses (which was also deemed to be frivolous).

Having an attorney send a threat letter to my landlady's home instead of my mailing address, harassing my landlady as well.

Calling MY MOTHER, who's name and telephone number are NOWHERE to be found on the internet and does not even HAVE internet access, in Colorado to harass her as well. We have ideas about where she came up with my mother's contact information ~ there could only be one source.

I would have to look up my files to find the rest.

So again, find out what you are talking about before you actually post.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
SFTS seriously did you just discount and discredit everyone on this blog or any other who actually strives to maintain their anonymity?
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Yeah, I seriously did!

Anyone who chooses to attack, flame, belittle, harass and otherwise comment negatively on an individual without the cajones to actually sigh their name to such an attack is a coward and not worth the time of day.

So, you're saying you condone folks who flame, attack, defame, libel/slander and harass people online anonymously?

I absolutely, unequivocally believe that doing anything of the sort anonymously ENTIRELY invalidates the opinion of the writer. You bet.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
Wow ZTIG and SFTS you two seem to feed off of each other.
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She said something I found funny...and I repaid the favor. No, it had nothing to do with you, Dena. So don't take it so personally.

SFTS you seem to be speaking as something of an authority on me these days. I would prefer that you not do that.
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I am in no way, shape or form an "authority" on you, and would not want to be at all, whatsoever.

Oh and SFTS I thought you said something about anonymity and too chickenshit and talk to the hand.
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Yes indeed, you did read that correctly.

You know the people here? Anyone? Personally? Any real life experience? I am thinking no.
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You would think wrong.

Dena said...

What is it about that blog JR? Ummm...I don't know...maybe, the fact, that she attacks others for what she herself does?
And she makes up shit in an effort to get paid from attempting to hurt people?
For me, I just think the woman is a menance to society at large, particularly children.
And in my opinion she is a completely classless and clueless pig.
I just do not care for her or the mentality of some of her most rabid followers.

thecityhorse, I really do not care. As your opinion does not in any way contribute to or support any of my real life efforts I just don't care.
Sorry.

SFTS I think you might have missed my point. But that is okay.
Do what you will with my information. You always do of recent.
I just thought you might be interested to know it hasn't gotten by me.
Your use of my information that is.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
SFTS I think you might have missed my point.
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Then please, do tell!! Contrary to popular opinion, I do enjoy reading yours. ;)

But really Dena, if you truly believe you have a tort case against Cathy, by all means pursue such in a court of law. All you do by perpetuating this in the court of public opinion is make your chances of winning such a case less likely.

(yes, I almost went to law school...did pre-law, however, decided I wanted to devote my life to the horses, instead)

My use of your information?? LMAO...do tell on that count, as well. Since you stopped your pissing match with me, I have stayed away from the topic of you entirely, other than to answer a couple of direct questions by posting how to find out about your history with FHOTD. Nothing inflammatory. Public record. And I have not been the one to post those public record links on your past, either. Those questions asked which I answered, by the way, were prompted entirely by YOUR actions on the FHOTD and your neverending diatribe against Cathy. In other words, you're bringing that on yourself, so please don't bother to act so self righteous.

BuckdOff said...

Dena, If I was Cathy, I would sue you for everything that you own..You would have zip, nada, left. Evil Witch!

Dena said...

buckdoff you crack me up. fair for her but no other?
too funny...
oh and buckdoff I do not have to lie about my possessions.
because that is all they really are. and I never said a word about vacation homes in mexico.
I said hubby owned 2 houses. one in Oaxaca and one in the city.
yeah...so sorry but it is true.
and the chinchilla throw and pillows? a gift from my nephew. I would have never bought such myself.
I will send pictures to CCC.
as I have nothing to hide. and no reason to lie.
sue me!?! that would be funny...

Dena said...

Vacation in Oaxaca? With all the civil unrest that is current?
Yeah...no.
And the city?
I will pass on that too thank you.
your ignorance and your jealousy are showing.
I would be happy to let you stay in the house in Oaxaca though.

BuckdOff said...

You are unwell, everyone knows that, it was fun to poke you with a stick, for awhile..Now, it's just sad....No One takes you seriously or believes one word of your endless, tiresome diatribes anymore, interesting that you would bring up CCC's name though...Like I'm jealous of you, I'm SANE, do not use controlled substances, am solvent and have no criminal record. I'm golden! Thanks! Carry on Dena.....

Dena said...

If you were golden buckdoff you would not be as you are.
I have been told by my husband that my worth is greater than rubies.
That is well and away good enough for me.
My family loves me as I am.
While not necessarily golden I am blessed.
I have many friends buckdoff. Even here where you post so vehemently against me.
CCC, GL, FV, HP, BH, roses, CNJ, and more.
Did you somehow miss that?
And to be honest buckdoff you sound jealous and anything but sane.
Sorry. That is how you come across to me.

CharlesCityCat said...

Dena:

Just to update you on recent events, I am now a persona non grata as far as Buckdoff is concerned.

Dena said...

CCC I get where she is going with this. She can not know you very well I am thinking.
I have had some other email recently regarding her and her difficulty with truth.
My conclusions with regard to buckdoff have been drawn solely based on her own presentations.
To be honest she comes across as a very bitter and unfulfilled person.
So with regard to you she can bite my fat well horsed ass.
CCC you could never be persona non grata with anyone who knows you and loves you for all the wonderful things you are.

BuckdOff said...

Just wonderful..Carry on with your cheap shots CCC, I was NEVER anything but kind to you..

Dena said...

Oh fucking Waaaa buckdoff! Grow up and make an effort towards being a decent person.
A person you can like and maybe even love.
Based on how you present I do not believe that is the case here in the Now.

CharlesCityCat said...

Buckdoff:

I am sorry that I offended you recently.

My above comment to Dena was a statement of fact. I wanted her to understand that we no longer have a connection so sending me the pics she was talking about to prove her point wouldn't do any good. I wish you could stop reading things into my comments that just aren't there. However, it has become obvious to me that you can't.

I have never said anywhere nor will I ever say that you treated me badly, because you didn't.

I will not get into anything with you here or anywhere else.

BuckdOff said...

I'm done CCC. You are unkind. Dena has an excuse by way of her illness. I do not want to associate with you, you insulted me once, I'm not the only one who believed you to be unkind. You don't get another chance..It's interesting that you portray yourself to be the victim here, and flip this thing around like I'm being mean by not associating with you. I repeat, I'm done, the internet is vast, and I have plenty of real friends here.

BuckdOff said...

Out me Dena..Do that, print some internet info on me..there is none.... You are so F'd up, at this point, it's not even funny. Please continue to mess with me, I will sue you..So I repeat, don't ever F'n threaten me here or anywhere else. I guarantee, you will be locked up, where you belong. I do not like you, I do not feel sorry for you, I don't cut you any slack. You are basically a criminal.

Dena said...

Oh buckdoff fuck off. I can just see the court officers faces in the case of Buckdoff vs. Dena.
Shut up already. You would have to sue me where I live. Read up on it.
I have absolutely downloaded your crap to hardcopy just in case.
I am curious though what is it that I have that you want?
And what are you willing to risk in an attempt to take it?
Guarantee someone else your delusional threats as becoming reality.
I can say whatever I want about you. It is after all the internet and my opinion.
So again, bite my fat well horsed ass.
Or, did you want me to cover it in chinchilla first?

rosesr4evr said...

So SFTS,

People can just go running around and slapping TRO's against just anybody they feel like it??? Wow, that's scary. And she only got the restraining order against you because you weren't able to be in court to defend yourself against her outrageous and false accusations? Not once? But twice? Wow you must be really dedicated to your clients and your business to miss court to defend yourself against false accusations. So another question...If what you say is true about all of it being the other way around, why didn't you get a lawyer and put the TRO against who it belonged?

SFTS you told me to : find out what you are talking about before you actually post.

That's why I said, before I asked, correct me if I'm wrong. You just explained to the best of your ability. I thank you.

BTW-I have NEVER had any type of OP, TRO, or OR put out against me. I've known people that had to have them issued against someone in one way or another, but in those cases they were all completely warranted and much needed, if very ineffectual from a reality standpoint.

Good luck with your legal issues.

rosesr4evr said...

I apologize, I didn't realize that you had only missed the one court appearance. I guess I don't read much. whoops.

Dena said...

It was an understandable mistake roses. The other missed appearances were caused by her husbands failure to appear in other non-related issues.

BuckdOff said...

There you go, threatening me once again, you will be locked up somewhere, hopefully soon. You can not threaten to disseminate someone's personal info on line, right here, right now, you are telling me that you are storing my dialogue on line...for what reason? To blackmail me? ZZZZ..that's a crime...have fun in the pokey..I'm sure that if you are threatening me, there are other people out there who are being threatened and harassed by you also..It's just a matter of time...p.s. Stripes are slimming!

Dena said...

Wow SFTS and you said it couldn't be done.

buckdoff shut up. I have never threatened you.
Not once.
Never even threatened to release your identity.
Simply said it could be done but I preferred to watch you make an ass of yourself.
As it is obvious now to me that you are very very unstable and unwell I do not think I will continue to respond to your strange attacks.
Just document the continuation of.

Hey! Where did the comment section go on fhotd?
Was it google or was it Cathy?
Hmmm...

rosesr4evr said...

*Are you threatening me? I am the Great Cornholio" LOL

HC4449 said...

FHOTD blog no longer accepting/showing comments?

BuckdOff said...

Either way, you battle axe, the people that want to blog about horses,that would be most of us, will find another blog, and just maybe, lose you, and your negative ass, in the process. Repeat after me..Prison Stripes are Slimming!

BuckdOff said...

You're funny, Roses...We did miss you! Really!

Dena said...

BWAP! RIGHT IN THE FACE! How classic... JR are you psychic?

Hey roses do you hear anything? Yeah, me neither.
The silence. It is beautiful isn't it?..

flying fig said...

Please stop patting yourself on the back for everything, Dena. It is not all about how clever you are (more like, how clever you think you are). It gets tiresome. I try not to engage you but you persist in your bizarre behaviour, making everything all about you, posturing, sneering etc. If you have extra houses and all these luxurious household accoutrements... why did you ask for the power bill to be paid over at ABR? That was a rhetorical question - don't bother answering - I don't care.

You have done far more damage to yourself than you think you have done to Cathy. Even threatening people in a stalkerish, creepy way... I hope those posts were not nuked but filed away. That is beyond bizarre.

As for your latest series of late-night mudslinging at FHOTD, I saw your posts last night and they left me wondering WTF you were so proud of them for. Not to mention the odd hours you must keep to gleefully post them in your time zone.

Have you actually WORKED In the horse industry?? As in, lived on and worked for years on other farms, not your own place... not your own horses...experienced a wide variety of disciples, trainers etc.

It truly does not sound like it.

I have worked on farms where I did not approve of the breeding practices or some of the management techniques. Does that mean that is what I like or how I would do things?? NO. It is not freaking rocket science. It is basic common sense - which seems to be lacking in all this merry, self-congratulatory mudslinging. You are an employee - you do not call the shots. Amazing concept, I know.

Example: the new trainer here at our upper barn is a PITA. The last trainer was a bit abusive at times, but she at least had some degree of horsemanship and horse sense. The new trainer and I do NOT care for each other - she treats my co-worker and I like shit. Ditto for some of the boarders who have been here for over 10 years - and are now looking elsewhere. But NT charms the BO, buys her presents etc. - and the BO is thrilled with all the blue ribbons and flattery - so WTF can my coworker and I do about this mess?? At the moment, NOTHING. And yet, using your logic, we would be held at fault for all the crap the trainer is pulling. She thinks she is devious and clever... when in fact she is merely obvious and nasty.

And if the comments for that last blog were still up, you would note that Cathy never ONCE told anyone to call anyone or harrass anyone - that came from a couple of posters. There were no directives or orders as you have maintained is always the case. Yet another case of you twisting the truth to suit your purposes.

I am NOT defending Cathy as roses suggested - give me a freaking break - she can deal with all that herself and we often have not seen eye to eye. Many times, in fact. Especially about HSUS.

What I react to is the ridiculous behaviour that has become an obsession - and all the nasty, vile posts carrying on in a Do As I Say And Not As I Do vein. People were sick and tired of those posts... any "info" you thought you were passing on was lost in the doublespeak, bad language and threats...

The good thing about the comments disappearing is that you will not have a place to sling around the C-word so smugly and snicker and threaten people and drag things off topic over and over again. The bad thing is that a lot of us shared excellent information and advice... which in fact was what 90% of those comments were always about. Which anyone who was not mainly posting there just to disrupt things would realize.

But the truth matters not... if it does not line up with what a select few proclaim it to be...

And there will never be blessed silence as long as you stay on this "noble crusade" of yours.... because you will not STFU about it...

Have to run - farrier is here - I have had to beg him to keep coming here as the NT wanted him gone as well. Because everyone knows (as per Dena's logic) that no farriers setting foot on the place would be all my fault...

Dena said...

roses do you here anything yet? me neither.
caught a glimpse of some strange and sour grapes though.

and to anyone foolish enough to express that I ever thought this was ever all about me?
That statement goes a long way towards identifying the problems in some of the thinking.
Or, shall I say, excuse making.

Poor sheep. Maybe HSUS will provide intervention to help them all find a new home.
Where they can eat and shit to their hearts content.
As long as, they do not violate federal law while doing so.

wildhorses said...

ALL of the posts are gone over at FHOTD! Hmmm.

BuckdOff said...

Dena, people would be "crazy" to align themselves with you...guilt by association, you know?..You bitter, old bat...

wildhorses said...

I find myself longing for the good old days when there was something about horses on FHOTD.

wildhorses said...

or even here...

CharlesCityCat said...

Wildhorses:

This is the bitching blog. JR still has his nice training blog that is about horses and lots of good info. He started this one to keep the nastiness away from there.

flying fig said...

Dena ... you do need to keep insulting people at every turn - even though it demonstrates Do As I Say And Not As I Do rather effectively... but that is your choice.

I am not foolish (except for bothering to vent a bit here).

I am not a sheep.

You could not show me ONE instance of sheep-like behaviour from me - anywhere - in fact, I have frequently gotten in trouble for going against the current.

I have gone out of my way NOT to engage you of late because it is pointless. You are always right and almost everyone else is inferior - you have made that very clear. I would rather not make things personal beyond venting a bit of frustration - you go out of your way to make things very personal - right down to cyber threats.

And when your only response to any concerns or thoughts someone may have is yet more insults... well, the potkettleblacking gets to be a bit much for me...

This lowly barn-scrubber needs to take the bottled water back out to the farrier... and spend the rest of the day (and far into the evening) with and working for The Horses.

Because contrary to what you (and even roses) have sneered... for me, it really is all about Them. My career. My life. Everything. Sneer-worthy, right? ;-)

PrairieFarmer said...

OH MY! Just read FHOTD most recent post...I'm thinking this comment section is about to get A LOT more popular JR.
I'll stand by my comment from the other day - "Who needs soap operas when you have FHOTD?"
Today's posting was kinda like the cliff hanger at the end of the season...Juicy! Juicy!
(Now back to picking veggies, they taste good, but unfortunately do not gossip or call each other nasty names. Darn it to all tarnation.).

wildhorses said...

Thanks CCC, I will go over there

Dena said...

I will only say this once.

I sooooo told many of you that the types of abuses generated by fhotd and it's creator and the many posters who subscribed to her particular brand of breaking the law?

Would not be tolerated.

And had nothing to do with freedom of speech.


And just to provide a bit more clarity.


Google and Blogger have taken the first step towards acknowledging that what took place on, and as, a consequence of the fhotd blog,
was and is, in fact, illegal.

SFTS said...

rosesr4evr wrote:
So SFTS,

People can just go running around and slapping TRO's against just anybody they feel like it??? Wow, that's scary.

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Yeah, isn't it? True. Boy, did you know you can also sue anyone you like, for anything at all, just because you feel like it?? *eyeroll*

And she only got the restraining order against you because you weren't able to be in court to defend yourself against her outrageous and false accusations? Not once? But twice?
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As I noted you posted the following, because you didn't bother to actually READ what I wrote the first time, I won't bother to blast you this time for your lack of reading comprehension skills. But yes, the ONLY reason the TRO was issued was because of my inability to appear that one day in court.

[I apologize, I didn't realize that you had only missed the one court appearance. I guess I don't read much. whoops.]

Wow you must be really dedicated to your clients and your business to miss court to defend yourself against false accusations.
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Indeed, I am. Which is why they love me so much, and are so happy to have their horses entrusted to my care and training ~ that dedication. By the way? The erroneously issued TRO is being appealed due to the above, in case you missed that.

So another question...If what you say is true about all of it being the other way around, why didn't you get a lawyer and put the TRO against who it belonged?
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I did file for a TRO against them, however it was decided after the initial hearing that both cases would be heard at the same time, and as I was not present to prosecute my case against them, I requested a dismissal without prejudice to be brought forth at a later time if necessary. Personally, I would rather spend my hard earned money on my HORSES and my BUSINESS rather than on lawyers.

SFTS you told me to : find out what you are talking about before you actually post.
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Which was in reference to your failed, feeble attempt to discredit me. It had nothing to do with any of these posts from you.

BTW-I have NEVER had any type of OP, TRO, or OR put out against me.
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Me neither, until these nutcases began stalking and harassing me. However, I have *once* had to have an RO issued against someone else in order for myself and my family to be protected from a danger to the community and society. Lucky you to not have encountered such people in your sheltered life.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
It was an understandable mistake roses. The other missed appearances were caused by her husbands failure to appear in other non-related issues.
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WTF are you talking about? Dena, are you hitting the crack pipe again? I suggest VERY STRONGLY that you think very carefully before you make any further false accusations.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
Wow SFTS and you said it couldn't be done.

Hey! Where did the comment section go on fhotd?
Was it google or was it Cathy?
Hmmm...

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Actually, I never said it "couldn't be done". It's actually rather simple to cause a forum to be shut down if you rabidly harass the provider enough so that they just get sick of dealing with you. Back in the day, way before blogs, it was thought something of a form of art to have forums shut down if they presented a point of view you didn't agree with.

However, you are foolishly thinking that you will succeed in the end. Did FHOTD go anywhere? No. Her blog lives. Cathy decided, based on your continual harassment and inability to behave yourself, to close the comments for the time being. Her statement is right there in black and white.

And for God's sake, since you claim to be a God fearing woman, leave BuckdOff ALONE.

SFTS said...

FlyingFig...for the record, I've saved every comment made by Dena since I first encountered her on FHOTD.

>>> "You are always right and almost everyone else is inferior - you have made that very clear." <<<

I can attest to this, from firsthand experience.

I'm also right there beside you, For The Horses. My Life. My Career. It's ALL about THEM. Which is also why I am inside at the moment, because I refuse to compromise my horses or my students when we're suffering triple digit temperatures.

Dena said...

To the individual in the silver 4 door compact car who just invaded our privacy and peace on our own property.

Our son got the tag number off of your vehicle as did my husband.

Just thought you should know that.

SFTS you will do as you please. You always do.
However do not accuse me of smoking crack when your husband had a warrant issued for failure to appear.
I have had enough of the frickin nutbags associated with horses.
The world as some of you kn0ow is most definitely about to change.

At this stage if any of you fhotd cultists come to my home uninvited you had better pack more than a lunch.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
SFTS you will do as you please. You always do.

However do not accuse me of smoking crack when your husband had a warrant issued for failure to appear.

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Where in the Hell did you get that little tidbit of disinformation, Dena? From the little trolls who fed you all sort of bullshit information about myself and my family? You remember, the ones you lied about, claiming you had not been in contact with anyone privately about me?

Remember the part about those who live in glass houses throwing stones, Dena.

rosesr4evr said...

SFTS said...

Lucky you to not have encountered such people in your sheltered life.
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Honey, my life has been anything but sheltered! But life is all about the choices we make. The things you wrote about your personal life and all the Springer drama contained therein is just all together too familiar. *SOME* of my family members are whacko and one of them could have written your personal life history with ease. I choose not to associate with them, family or not.

The whole woe is me tone that was so prevalent and everyone is out to get me, it's soo unfair, it's not my fault, but I had something more important to do that day and that's why I didn't appear in court. What in the hell is more important that being present at your court case where someone is trying to file a TRO against you?? Surely don't bring up your dedication to your clients and to your business. I'm sure they would understand that you might have to rechedule because you had pressing legal matters to attend to. So no, I really think all your excuses reek of Bullshit.

Maybe you got caught up in the heat of the moment that was the BuckinBo saga? I could understand that.

I do believe that's why so many people are frustrated with a certain blog, because just through it's very existence perpetuates the kind of treament I'm sure BuckinBo received at the hands of people on the internet. And before anyone can say she deserved it, that's not the point. The point is she's a minor! It perpetuated all kinds of nasty, cruel, hate filled crimes on complete strangers, all under the guise that it was an educational blog and people learned things there. The only thing being taught there was how to (somewhat) anonymously be mean and cruel and spread hate, while claiming that you were better than everybody else.

SFTS said...

I'm sorry roses, but I am most certainly not your honey.

My "personal life info" is whacko? LOL You must be coming from one of those it takes one to know one perspectives. If defending one's self against the insanity one has encountered in their life seems "whacko", I can only surmise where you must be coming from. But, whatever.

On the buckinbo saga, as you aptly put it, the only way in which I got "caught up" was in offering to help her. What I was presented with, the thanks I got for offering free assistance, was a crazy individual stalking me, harassing me, harassing my landlady, harassing my mother. The list goes on and on and on.

The whole woe is me tone that was so prevalent and everyone is out to get me, it's soo unfair, it's not my fault, but I had something more important to do that day and that's why I didn't appear in court. What in the hell is more important that being present at your court case where someone is trying to file a TRO against you??
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I don't know about you, however taking a horse to the veterinarian I consider to be a relatively important task. Maybe you don't provide veterinary care for your horses, I have no idea. However, when I have committed to a client that I will take care of their horse, and make sure the horse is transported to the veterinarian, I follow through. Perhaps you would not. That's your business.

As I was aware of the ability to appeal an obviously fraudulent TRO request, I was far more concerned with making sure the above mentioned horse was seen by a veterinarian. My priorities are my horses and my clients/their horses. Not some insane woman and her equally unhinged daughter.

It perpetuated all kinds of nasty, cruel, hate filled crimes on complete strangers, all under the guise that it was an educational blog and people learned things there. The only thing being taught there was how to (somewhat) anonymously be mean and cruel and spread hate, while claiming that you were better than everybody else.
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So I suppose that you feel justified attacking me anonymously, right? Because you're not doing so with rantings full of nastiness, cruelty and hate?

I call bullshit. Maybe you should wipe your mouth.

horsesense102 said...

SFTS: I just happened across this blog - don't spend much time on a computer. So I'm reading all this drama and I can't help but wonder if your clients see how much time you spend on blogging instead of caring for their horses.

I recall somewhere you kept saying a horse was saddled up ready to ride and yet you spent another hour or so with comment after comment.

Then you say somewhere that horses are everything to you, how important they are, even more important than going to court. Who in their right mind would not attend a court date?

As someone else said on here, you are full of excuse after excuse. Let's see, the USEF violation - you didn't follow up on that until the fines started piling up. You said you write bad checks but not purposely with the intent of never making them good. Hellooo - the second you write a check when you know it's no good, that is intentional. Then you say something about you gave them another check and they waited awhile to deposit it and it was their fault for waiting because other bills were paid not leaving enough money in the account. Why wouldn't you send a money order or cashier's check for something so important?

If I were a client of yours, I would be very afraid for my horses under your care. If you care so much for clients' horses, then why do you leave one standing for an hour saddled, dash out and ride it for 15 minutes, and then you're right back on here blogging again saying your hired help is hosing the animal down? Maybe that's why you're so broke all the time - hiring someone else to give basic care so you can sit on your ass in front of a computer all day and night.

As someone else commented earlier - this smells like bullshit. You've invented yourself as some kind of trainer on the internet. I know of no trainer worth anything who spends so damn much time on blogs, forums, etc. They are usually out training, caring for horses and taking care of their personal business in the little bit of time left over.

Oh, and I'm really glad Fugly comments got shut down. The few times I looked at that blog and read some comments, all I could think was that she was one bitter, vindictive and ridiculous woman who doesn't know crap about horses.

Mr. Rotten, I enjoy your training blog - some good common sense without all the drama.

BuckdOff said...

Look, I'm not about to shed any tears for B&B. She abuses her animals and had the videos to show it. Several people went out of their way to try and help her, she wouldn't take them up on it. SFTS, I appreciate you coming to my aid against Dena, she is most assuredly insane, so any admonishment falls on deaf ears. She's like a boomarang, just keeps coming back. I'm sure she is babbling away at this very moment, somewhere. Think Glenn Close character, in the Fatal Attraction movie...

SFTS said...

Wow, "horsesense102", for someone who proclaims to not spend time on the computer, you have apparently had hours today to do research on me, pulling up old comments, information from across several sites and all sorts of details you think are about my life, in detail. Then all the time you spent painstakingly putting together this long, drawn out, rambling post attempting to discredit me. Interesting.

You've invented yourself as some kind of trainer on the internet. I know of no trainer worth anything who spends so damn much time on blogs, forums, etc.
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LOL...okay. If you say so. I'll be sure to tell all my clients that I am a mere figment of their imagination. ;)

I'm sorry, however when it's 105-110 degrees outside, I'm not going to be out riding in the middle of the day, nor am I going to be twiddling my thumbs doing nothing when the paperwork's done, the housework's done and it's oppressively hot outside. I'm guessing you don't care if your horses overheat or get heat stroke? Not I.

Hey JR, I guess when those of us, like you and I, who live in the desert where the temperatures get unbearable in the Summertime should be out there killing our horses by riding them when the mercury gets into the triple digits. *eyeroll*

Dena alter, anyone?

SFTS said...

You're welcome, BuckdOff. Anytime. Likewise a thanks again from me to you over the BB situation back in February on the FSH forum. :)

NewHorseMommy said...

I got my first horse a few months ago. I have been reading FHOTD for a little over a year, but have only posted a few times. I have learned a LOT about horses from the blog, and reading it probably kept me from doing a LOT of stupid things with my horse. I read a number of other horse-related blogs too. Don't always agree with any of them.

I think it's terrible that the people who enjoy the blog and the comments (where a lot of good debate and information is exchanged)can no longer enjoy this information because a few people apparently can't just get over themselves and STFU already. Boy, there's always a few, isn't there?

And, in my opinion, it's fucking RIDICULOUS to think that any legal action against the blog is going to succeed. In the last year, I have read nothing that comes close to harassment, stalking, etc. (with the exception, of course, of the some of the crazies' posts in the last few days). If you put a video or photo of yourself on the internet being an ass, you are in the public domain and subject to whatever comments come your way. If this were not the case, we would have no Talk Soup, Daily Show, World's Worst Car Chases/When Affairs Go Bad/Girls Gone Wild (you get the drift...) I mean, if I have a pink saddle with rhinestone peace signs, can I sue "Tacky Tack of the Day?" No... Not even if I'm a minor and traumatized that my saddle was mocked by some mean person on the web.

I think some of the people who spend hours and hours writing hateful posts should seriously consider how much of their LIVES they are wasting with this activity (like keeping a television log). Really. You live ONCE! Is 20 hours a week writing hate mail on a blog worth it? Wouldn't that time be better spent working on horse welfare issues or WITH YOUR HORSES!!!!

Sorry, I had to vent. I have been reading the bullshit comments off and on for months now. If any of the insane respond to me (and you probably DON'T know who you are because the crazy people never do), I will not respond back, so don't bother. This is my ONLY comment on the subject for all time on any blog.

BuckdOff said...

NHM, I'm not a nut, so, I'd advise you to read Johnie Rotten's blog, you would probably enjoy it immensely. He is very knowledgeable and it's a good group over there.

NewHorseMommy said...

BuckdOff,

I responded, so I guess you know you're not in the crazy category!

I do read his blog, and may have even posted (can't remember).

Thanks!

Drsgjunky said...

Dena...

You won't mind if we redirect the FHOTD posters to your blog, right? They (thousands) would like to share their opinion like you did on FHOTD.

SFTS said...

Very, VERY well said NewHorseMommy. And how exciting to be a new horse mommy! :)

I'm trying to concentrate on my own blog and popping in over at JR's blog when I have a chance. What else is a girl to do when it's so blistering hot outside??

Glad you posted, I agree with everything you said 100%.

horsesense102 said...

STD or whatever your name is...you think anyone who thinks you sound ridiculous is the Dena person?

I didn't have to spend hours reading other sites - just reading this blog everyone, including you, is mentioning other forums and blogs where you all are arguing - enough to make my head swim. Believe me, I certainly don't have time or interest in finding anything else about you. Your posts here tell everything about you.

I think it's pretty hilarious. I said no trainer worth anything spends as much time on the computer as you. So you have some clueless clients - what else is new in the horse world.

And I think Buckdoff is a silly twit as well. All your posts read the same - NO ONE LIKES YOU, NO ONE! Screech much?

Anyone who condones Fugly and her minions to attack children with hateful vomit needs to have their heads examined. I hope her blog gets shut down for good.

As for Dena - don't know anything about her except for reading here and some posts on Fugly before it went away, but I must say I do agree with her and others about Fugly's cruel and vicious attacks and egging people on to do the same. Looks like maybe Fugly's blog has run its course - especially after reading what kind of a person she really is.

SFTS said...

STD...how very classy of you.

How old are you, thirteen?

Not worth wasting another breath on.

Next.

ZTIG said...

SFTS, I think you were right.

New Horse Mommy, this is the crazy blog check out JR's and SFTS and please post, especially if you have questions. :)

Congrats on being a new horse mommy, I know when I became one it was one of the happiest moments of my life. Number 2 in fact. Number 1 was helping deliver a baby. :)

NewHorseMommy said...

Thanks SFTS. It's VERY exciting. I have been checking out your blog as well.

I think I will refrain from commenting at all again in this particular thread, lest the crazies start sending me test posts to see if I respond!

rosesr4evr said...

I'm still waiting for the THOUSANDS of FHOTD posters to be sharing their opinions.


Yep....

Still waiting... LOL I won't be holding my breath.

horsesense102 said...

OK - so I was curious after all about STD and her "trainer" moniker so I clicked over to her new blog. This is how easy it is to pick someone apart and be cruel, according to Fugly style.

I couldn't get past this sentence:

"My regimen includes all sorts of anecdotes for making certain my horses are in tip top shape, from head to toe (and tail)."

without laughing my ass off. So STD, what sort of "anecdotes" do you tell your horses (or your clients) for making certain the horses are in tip top shape?

anecdote definition: a short account of an incident or event of an interesting or amusing nature, usually biographical

BuckdOff said...

Thanks NHM..Whatever, horse sense, I could actually care less what you think of me. I'm sane and happy, not soon to be incarcerated, not begging for hay or utilities on some chat line....life is good....The only person that I can't stand, is that nut Dena.. and there are many here that feel the same way. We like to blog without her ugly rantings.. If you can tolerate her, fine, You know what they say about birds of a feather. She is just a bitter, jealous, old bat.

SFTS said...

Wow...all Dena's newest alter (oh, sorry, minion) can come up with to bitch about with regard to my blog is one minor word used in one context? ROTFL.

Carry on.

BuckdOff said...

So horsesense, which one of your alters has a blog? And how do we endupthere..?

Drsgjunky said...

Geeze Roses, you ain't the person I knew back when you first joined FHOTD. You actually posted some intersting/positive comments. Not sure who got into your head, but almost every post see screams hatred toward everybody. Go back and read some and see if this sounds like the person you want people to know.

FHOTD was/is a lot of things (good & bad), but this sounds like nothing but hatred towards everyone outside your group.

Might I suggest a mascot for the group?

Josef Mengele. Seems to fit the avatars and hatred well.

BuckdOff said...

Yawn...you all have a great evening..Have to be up early..

Dena said...

You know JR I am holding back on this out of respect for what you and CNJ are dealing with today.

I fully understand that some of them are attempting to challenge me to use the same methods employed to address the fhotd blog.
What they seem to fail to realize is they have already been tagged and bagged so to speak from their participation on fhotd.


However, after all of this has settled some I would suggest that you consider some moderation as a necessary component for the privilege of the use of blogger.
As you created the blog you are considered responsible for maintaining the compliance.
Complete PITA I know.
I have to enable moderation as well.
Because some of these folks just can't be trusted to self-govern their behaviors.

BuckdOff said...

Yeah, Right Dena, Tag us and bag us...Woot... You be the moderator, like that would EVER happen..Delusions of grandeur, once again. Why don't you screw with someone else's blog, now that you are done with Fugs.. Like you respect anyone..that's a line of bull, if I've EVER heard one. It's all about you, Dena..Frigging Criminal. Carry on...

joanna said...

I am hopelessly lost. Maybe someone can help me understand, someone who is the voice of reason (by that I mean JR, CNJ, Prairie Farmer). What is the evidence that Kathy has a farm breeding mediocre horses? The website given only shows her (or someone who looks like her) working with a horse. Nowhere, that I can see, is her name on the site as the owner.

I have gone over some of the old posts and from what I can see, she doesn't bash little children, only their idiotic or lazy parents who put them in dangerous situations. Going after a teenager, well that's different. Quite frankly they need someone to straighten them out, because it certainly isn't their parents (see above comment about lazy parenting). Many teens can be arrogant know-it-alls who really need a set down. Believe me, I have met them. I grew up and worked around Fairfield County, CT, home of the PITA, spoiled rotten, have way to much money for thier own good teens. Too much freedom and not enough discipline (hmm-again, parenting fail).
To a comment Dena made at one time about Buckinbo being a child and it's unfair and terrible to bash her, wasn't she 16? She is certainly old enough to know better. Check Juvenile courts. Many times 16 year old kids who commit crimes get adult jail time.

What I have noticed is a pack mentality on FHOTD. Sometimes people are ripped to shreds without careful and unbiased research on the part of the commenters. Does Cathy ask her readers to attack the subject directly? Not that I have seen. They are being vigilanties, and as we all know, vivilanties have a very narrow focus. Facts mean nothing. Often, however, Cathy posts about serious abuses and those people need to be outed. Jason Meduna ring a bell?

Those are just my observations. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not. I just think the whole thing has been handled very badly by a few people. They won't aknowledge it, but then again, drunks don't think they have a problem , either.

rosesr4evr said...

horsesense102,

She will never recognize that that's how she comes off to people when she spews all her personal crap over the internet. Kinda like how they think crazy people never know they're crazy.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd say a court appearance (no matter how frivilous you believe it to be) takes precedence and your clients should understand/respect that.

My horses' vet care is fine, thank you very much, our vet makes farms calls. In fact, there's no way to take a horse to him in any case. If you have a life or death that needs more in depth intervention, then you would have to trailer your horse to the vet hospital about 1.5 hrs away.

SFTS said...

Okay, I have really tried to behave...but I can't resist.

Dena wrote:
Because some of these folks just can't be trusted to self-govern their behaviors.
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Hello, pot? Meet kettle.

Enough said.

Carry on (again).

Btw Joanna, buckinbo is now 17 and there has been talk of emancipation, from what I was told some months back. Actually, I believe the local court records show that process has already been started.

joanna said...

BTW, finding out all you can about a person, constantly harassing them and their friends (in this case readers), spreading rumours about them, exposing everything about them, all the while claiming your done and not comming back, then comming back to rant about them again, smacks of obsession. Pass the meds?

SFTS said...

rosesr4evr wrote:
If you have a life or death that needs more in depth intervention, then you would have to trailer your horse to the vet hospital about 1.5 hrs away.
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Which is EXACTLY what I have been attempting to explain to you, but it hasn't yet sunk into your thick skull. Fortunately, our vet hospital is a mere 45 minutes +/- away. A distressed horse that needs immediate veterinary attention to me takes precedent over any of the frivolous bullshit buckinbo attempts to throw my way.

joanna said...

Oh, and obsession = stalking.

17,huh? Then she really ought to know how to behave better.

rosesr4evr said...

drsgjunky,
I used to enjoy the FHOTD blog before it became a vehicle to harm others. And Cathy owns that vehicle, it doesn't matter that she wasn't the only one driving. Go back to the post on Crippled Cat Ranch if you need to look at some of the comments. I agreed with one person and defended her view or her situation and I got torched. I got called a serial killer for christs sake. And when I tried to defend myself, Fugly herself started spewing shit. I thought maybe I just said the wrong thing in the clique, so I just kinda lurked and read. I watched as the blog dissentegrated into a hate mongering club (or clue bat if you will) with which Cathy was intent on beating all the asshats(in her mind) to death with.

I will say that at first I was intrigued by the blog. If this would in any way point out to others a better way to practice horse ownership, great! But horse ownerhip spans many different breeds and disciplines and I believe that to be effective to the masses, you need to be a well rounded and well educated in most of those, not just a select few that are your own personal likes, while degrading others that you have little or no knowledge about.

Add in all the bigotry and hate being spewed there. I don't care if she didn't directly tell anyone to attack the feature of the day. She provided the means. Ultimately it's her blog and she should've at least had the commom decency to step in and call foul when it went overboard.

And finally the hypocrisy that is FHOTD. She wanted to preach against BYB's and making more mediocre horses. Come to find out, she's keeping a fugly (he's certainly NOT breeding quality especially in this market) Krazy Kolor stud herself with delusions of granduer of him becoming a breeding stallion. He's already produced mediocre foals.

She pontificated about people's personal lives, how and where they lived, speculated as to them being white trash, skanks, strippers, buckle bunnies, fat, stupid, etc. without ever having met any of those people in real life or knowing their situation. She definitely set people onto the right path to spew garbage and hate. Alot of that was directed at innocent, ignorant kids.

She provided impetus and that's really all it took.

Then the end all to beat all. I don't need to mention it it's been widely discussed over the last few days. And it's still despicable

rosesr4evr said...

SFTS,

If you had put in your post that it was immediate life or death situation with the horse, I wouldn't have questioned it. Bringing it up after the fact sounds like CYA paperwork to me.

rosesr4evr said...

BB wasn't 17 when all this started and it's been going on for at least over a year.

Now be aware that I'm not defending her or her abuse of horses. She really IS a twit, but that's not the point. The point is the harassing and cyber bullying of minors.

SFTS said...

rosesr4evr wrote:
SFTS,

If you had put in your post that it was immediate life or death situation with the horse, I wouldn't have questioned it. Bringing it up after the fact sounds like CYA paperwork to me

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Of for crying out fucking loud, I owe you NOTHING, NOT explanation, not a DAMN thing.

It was MORE than enough to say that the reason I missed the hearing date was because I was transporting a horse to the veterinary hospital. What the fuck does that tell you??

Jesus fucking Christ.

rosesr4evr wrote:
BB wasn't 17 when all this started and it's been going on for at least over a year.
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Not when I became aware of her via FHOTD, I only heard all this and began reading up in January of 2009.

Pay attention to the timeline before you start spewing more bullshit.

Not to mention the fact that there is a MASSIVE difference between a young child and a girl in her late teens who damn well KNOWS BETTER and does NOT CARE.

For the record, I have NEVER, EVER participated in any of the bashing or comments about small children. I have only commented on the ignorance and idiocy of a great many parents who should not be such.

joanna said...

rosesr4evr- I agree, harassing and cyber bullying is never O.K. Please, however, keep in mind that includes adults as well as minors. I am in no way saying that you do, I am saying I see it going on amongst the commenters. I will not name names, mostly because everyone here pretty much has a clue as to who is.

rosesr4evr said...

SFTS,

Calm down, please?

I thought you were all right until you posted the drama that is your life. Some things are better left unsaid or private. A third of the way through that saga and I was reeling from WTMI. I left off reading it shaking my head as to why anyone would put up all that information.
The way that it was presented didn't portray you in the best light and if I was looking at you as a potential trainer, would've made me run for the hills.

And in your post as to why you missed the court date, you stated you were transporting a horse to the vet for a client and you had already made the commitment. That's not coming out and saying "I missed my court date because a life/death situation came up with a client's horse." You made it sound like your client needed a horse to be transported and you opted to do that rather than waste your valuable time with a frivolous TRO.

As for BB, I don't care if she's 17 and 364 days old, she's STILL a minor. So in the eyes of the law at least, she is still entitled to be treated like one. Buying cigarettes-have to be 18, not almost. Voting-yeah you still have to be 18. An adult having sexual relations with someone under the age of 18-Statutory rape. And that last one doesn't matter if the minor is in her/his late teens and damn well knows better and does not care.

A minor is still a minor. The law prosecutes minors as adults for egregious crimes, not just for being cruel and stupid.

Kaede said...

Ya know what this is reminding me of? College. not the mean, back stabbing girls or anything, but local stores would hire people from the theater department to get themselves arrested for shoplifting. Turns out a great way to stop shoplifting is the public humiliation that goes along with being publicly (natch) arrested.
So when a store had problems with shoplifting they would hire a variety of students and professors to get "shoplift" and get themselves noisly arrested. The theatre folk were to carry on and fuss as much as they wanted while being dragged off in cuffs. "Please, please don't tell my Dad, he will be so ashamed of me! sob, sob"
or "This is not SHOPLIFTING, I am taking it home to see if it works in my kitchen! My husband will be here shortly and then you will be in a vast amount of trouble!" or
"I really, really need (blank) my best buddy is real sick and I have to take him something"
There were also good acting jobs in the Halloween Haunted houses, and (oddly) being a professional icebreaker at corporate get togethers.

PrairieFarmer said...

Kaede -
This also reminds me of college, but a different scenario. Sorority chapter meeting night. All the sisters sitting in a circle, seats designated by rank. Comes time to "pass the gavel" and each sister is allowed to speak whatever is on her mind while she holds the gavel.
Gavel Holder 1 - "Sister's, I'm just so happy you all chose me to be here. I really love you all - you're the best!"
Gavel Holder 2 - "I just want to remind my sisters, please don't use all the toilet paper, it really clogs the toilet and I'm getting tired to calling the plumber..."
Gavel Holder 3 - "Will all my sisters who would like to use my make-up and borrow my clothes from my closet just ask first, okay? Really, please?"
Gavel Holder 4 - "To whichever sister keeps taking clothes out of the dryer before they are dry. This is RUDE! You should know better. I'm SO ASHAMED!"
Gavel Holder 5 - "Sisters - Please remember, we all signed a pledge it is not appropriate to hit on your sister's boyfriend. Even if it is an ex-boyfriend. So Julie, you bitch, stay away from Mark...I'm warning you!"
Gavel Holder 6 - "(Big Sigh...).You all know, sisters, that I've been having such a hard time since Phil, my 20th boyfriend of the semester, broke up with me...And I just want to know, if it wasn't for you all here, my wonderful sisters, I really would have never made it. I just love you all so much....(Gulp, gasp, sob...)"
And then proceeded by a whole room full of crying, hugging girls and some weepy song singing and secret hand-shaking. Except we haven't gotten to that part yet, have we?
(And BTW, to my credit I was booted out of my college sorority my second year - and yes, I would GLEEFULLY tell you super secret handshake. Booted supposedly because I refused to pay the dues to participate in the weekly get drunk and screwed at a fraternity party but really, I think, because I never, ever said anything when it was my turn to hold the gavel. And I thought all the bitching, crying girls were the most ridiculous thing ever. But, I must admit, strangely fascinating....

rosesr4evr said...

PF,

LOL! One of the great things I missed out on and I'm not sorry one little bit, was a continuation from high school of the Mean Girls clique also known as a Sorority.

rosesr4evr said...

Why did it seem like all the popular girls in high school were also complete sluts??

Who Said That? said...

SFTS- as other have pointed out, you have gone to great lengths posting all of your own woe is me diatribes of what has been your life. As someone else posted upwards in the comments, if I were interested in you as a potential trainer- your own words would strongly make me consider otherwise.

Everything is Always someone elses fault.

You have certainly not stated anywhere before that the vet trip was an emergency, until you were called on it. Certainly a cover your ass move to make it suddenly life or death. Most vets I know will certainly come to your facility, and since you stated you have 'hired help' surely they and the owner could have handled things... Taking the court date and all into account, it would not be an unreasonable thing to ask of anyone.

You excuse concerning the horse on your website pictured wearing a curb bit and draw reins, "just so I could see how he would look as a finished horse" was beyond inexcusable. I have never known, seen or heard of Anyone, Ever long lining in a curb bit or fastening side reins to one. Not for any reason. You putting the horse into a situation where serious injury could occur shows an extreme lack of caring and professionalism on your part.

If you were even the least bit of a trainer worth your salt, you wouldn't have to guess as to how a horse would look as you would have long since seen how he moved, while you were working him and training him. Had that horse had any issue while wearing the curb and side reins- he may never Be a finished horse and you would have nobody to blame but yourself for creating the situation to begin with, merely to satisfy your own selfish desires.

By your own admission, you have been repeatedly admonished by numerous posters for tossing in your own 2 cents on JR's training blog. You have never been outright asked for your opinion there, yet it is often cast out, full of advice, that from reading other posters comments, having tried what you said- it failed or made things worse. When they report using his methods,everything works and they often post their thanks. I find it funny that you fail to grasp what are otherwise simple concepts.

You also stated previoulsy here on the Gloves, and I will paraphrase for others, that you really don't care about what Amy of us have to say, as you have never met or spoken to many of us and would likely never do business with any of us either. Likewise, why should your words have any bearing on any of us as well? Why should we put any stock in anything you have today either? Afterall, it seems the more you post, the more you continue to lie and lay blame on everyone else for all of your problems.

And just so you can whine abouty anonymity and call me chickenshit, does it make me a bad person, just because I choose not to lay all of my lifes problems out online in various forums and blogs for all the world to see? I hardly know much about the majority of the posters on fhotd and some of the various blogs I frequent. We each have enough of our own problems without having to bear yours.

You madame, are the epitome of letting everything bad that has ever happened to you, define who you are as a person.

PrairieFarmer said...

Joanna -
Me? Voice of reason? Well, don't put me on that high of a pedestal - too far to fall! (But I'm SO going to tell my husband you said that!).
As to my take on all this "delicious drama," as somebody described it not so long ago on FHOTD. Well, read my last comment. That would be my general philosophy.
But, to expand on that a bit (here comes the high pedestal part...) - I did spend some time at one point as a newspaper reporter. One thing I learned, and was never comfortable with, was the power of the pen to harm others. Now many may call me naive, but I believe that that 99.9% of folks are not inherently evil. Or at least, you can find SOMETHING good about them, even when they have done a lot of crappy things. But when it came time for me, as a newspaper reporter, to reveal to the whole world the evil, scum-sucking con man, well I just kept thinking about how he had 2 kids in the local elementary school that he dropped off and picked up from school every day. Or the accused 18 year old rapist that, when I drove by his family home, turned out it was a rotting school bus where he, and his cousins and cousins-cousins, all lived together with about 2 dozen mangy dogs and not a single one of them have ever spent a day in school.
So who am I to judge these people? Have I walked in their shoes? How did I feel about it when I wrote a news story about those folks which would, very likely, impact their life greatly?
On the other hand, I also saw the NEED for these stories to be voiced. And I admired those reporters who could walk that "righteous" path, so to speak (yeah, I know that's an ironic description considering the state or responsible journalism these days...). I wasn't at ease with myself in doing so...so, I eventually quit that career.
Cathy, well, she reminds me of some of those reporters who could do the job, so to speak. She takes on people and issues that, well, I wouldn't be comfortable doing so. She is an extremist. I don't agree with her views - or her tactics - well, a lot of the time, but I see the value she brings in bringing some of these things up.
As far as whether Cathy is a hypocrite, a bad rider, a breeder of mediocre horses, a slut - well, since I can't personally attest to any of that, and since, well, I'm not really going to give much credence to accusations posting online, I'll reserve judgment on all that.
I DO NOT LIKE the "mob" mentality that does tend to pervade the comment sections at times. That is downright scary. Especially in regards to calling CPS on folks. I don't think some people understand the realities of life for many Americans, and their children! I don't like how many times I see posters say "I hate people." Again, scary.
And I don't like it when certain people "take over" the comment section with endless repartee on their own axes to grind. But it is easy enough to click on their names and not see their comments. But, it makes me sad, because most of the most annoying posters are also some of my most favorite ones, when they can speak more to the topic at hand, and to do so in a way that isn't just begging for a fight.
And to why I have followed, and occasionally commented, well I enjoy when we have good debates on meaningful issues. And FHOTD, whatever you think of Cathy, does seem to attract an interesting group of well-versed opinions!
To me, it's been about the people commenting on the conversation of the day, not so much really about the person who started the conversation.

rosesr4evr said...

Wow!!

rosesr4evr said...

*Wow* to you too PF!

Kaede said...

PF, my college was too small to have Sororities only 400 girls in the entire school. No students were accepted as transfers after 1st semester of Sophomore year. You got to know each other really well.
STFS, it sounds like you would be worth the $1,000.00 a pay per month as a boarder. I begin to wish I were in California. Maybe not. We don't have many Arabians out in NC, or land for that matter, but we can always use a trustworthy person to take care of horses.

PrairieFarmer said...

Roses said -
"Why did it seem like all the popular girls in high school were also complete sluts??"
Well, I would take a guess that their popularity would based on the fact they were complete sluts! Hah!

Kaede said...

Or drug dealers. Or at least back in the '70's.

endure_2_the_end said...

OT, but since no more comments on FHOTD, figured I would put this here.
Check out the captions!

ha ha ha
http://www.cracked.com/craptions/craption/1289

SFTS said...

roses, that drama was/is *my life* and was brought forth by someone other than myself, a disturbed someone with a large axe to grind. Should I have ignored them and simply made a general statement that nothing said was true? Perhaps. However, again, hindsight being 20/20, I asked others what they would have done. No one had a defined answer for that. My reasoning for putting up that "TMI" was to show that I had nothing to hide, my life is an open book. I do nothing under cover of anonymity. People wish to come forth and throw venom at me, they will get it back tenfold, from someone who is not anonymous.

I am not going to get into it further about buckinbo. There comes a time when young people [should] know better. That was an entirely different situation than what you are portraying, and I happen to agree with you about anyone who rabidly goes after a child. Nor will I engage you about having to take my client's horse to the veterinarian. I figured it would be common sense that anything which could have been handled by a simple home vet call would have been dealt with by the client. At home. Not necessitating a trip to the hospital. Enough said.

SFTS said...

I am so glad to hear you have lived my life along with me, and are privvy to all that has taken place in my life, even though the thought of you hiding in my closet and mirroring my every move is a little bit creepy.

Why do you care so much, "Who Said That?"?? Really now.

My clients, both longtime and new, are very pleased with my services and have far more sense than to make a decision regarding their horses' training and future by reading FHOTD blog comments and other vitriol. And oddly enough, my commenting on these blogs has actually brought me in clientele. Strange, I know.

Veterinarian vs buckinbo court date: As I told rosesr4evr, I don't owe any explanation to any of you, which includes YOU. I did what needed to be done in order to save a horse's life, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. Perhaps you would not. That is your business.

Pictures on my website: If the only thing you can come up with to whine, bitch and gripe about is two pictures on my site that you take offense to (which is hauntingly like what you and others whine and complain about Cathy/FHOTD doing, amazingly enough), you really need to get a life. If you don't like what you see, don't contact me for training services. It really is as simple as that. Please also learn the difference between draw reins and side reins. Btw, I find it almost amusing that I am the only individual who has been vilified for using such pieces of equipment. Others have, and (gasp) admit it, however you choose to skewer me. Interesting and noted.

JR's training blog: I believe that the two posters who have "admonished" me for posting there have been #1, Dena and #2, you. Hardly what I would consider "numerous" posters. If the blog owner is fine with my offering advice, having told me so both publicly and privately, I will certainly offer it, to your chagrin. The rest is hilarious drivel on your part. Try harder.

Why should I care what a bitter, angry anonymous commenter on a blog says? LOL...that one does amuse me. If you don't like what I say ~ skip my comments! Why get your panties in a twist over my comments. At least I have the wherewithal to own my words.

Lie? And that would be........where??

Yes, you would in my estimation (and that of the dozens of individuals who fill my inbox on a daily basis) be a coward and a chickenshit with a worthless opinion because you are too frightened to stand behind what you say. Spewing hatred, lies, bullshit and venom anonymously on the internet? What class! *eyeroll*

What "defines me as a person" is, plainly and simply, my life. Which is quite full of good people, great horses and much success. Jealousy is not a pretty thing.

SFTS said...

Kaede wrote:
SFTS, it sounds like you would be worth the $1,000.00 a pay per month as a boarder. I begin to wish I were in California. Maybe not. We don't have many Arabians out in NC, or land for that matter, but we can always use a trustworthy person to take care of horses.
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Thank you!

I does amaze me that some places do charge upwards of $500/$800/$1000 for board!! I'm definitely no fan of gouging customers, though...my husband often complains that I charge too little and end up being taken advantage of. Hell, I'd do my job for no pay at all ~ I simply love what I do and consider it a privilege to ride and work such incredible horses each day! :)

leonard_mccoy said...

SFTS said...
roses, that drama was/is *my life* and was brought forth by someone other than myself, a disturbed someone with a large axe to grind. Should I have ignored them and simply made a general statement that nothing said was true? Perhaps. However, again, hindsight being 20/20, I asked others what they would have done. No one had a defined answer for that. My reasoning for putting up that "TMI" was to show that I had nothing to hide, my life is an open book. I do nothing under cover of anonymity. People wish to come forth and throw venom at me, they will get it back tenfold, from someone who is not anonymous.

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First, a disclaimer: I am not anyone's alter and I have not been recruited by anyone for support. I do not have any investment (personal or otherwise) in anything that's been discussed, whether previously or presently.

Reading this particular paragraph and other recent postings by SFTS, the content, sentiment and underlying message is eerily similar to Dena's. The only difference I see is the style.

Is it possible that we have several people here with similar bad/unfair experiences at the hands of another? When it happens to you, it's always easier to see how unfair it is. When it happens to another person who you don't care for in the first place, and perpetuated by someone you respect, then it seems vindicated.

I'm speaking generically, of course, so each side of this discussion can be equally peeved at me.

leonard_mccoy said...

Drsgjunky said...
Geeze Roses, you ain't the person I knew back when you first joined FHOTD. You actually posted some intersting/positive comments. Not sure who got into your head, but almost every post see screams hatred toward everybody. Go back and read some and see if this sounds like the person you want people to know.

FHOTD was/is a lot of things (good & bad), but this sounds like nothing but hatred towards everyone outside your group.

Might I suggest a mascot for the group?

Josef Mengele. Seems to fit the avatars and hatred well.


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Ah, the ever popular (and misguided) invoking of "Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies".

The widely accepted concept being that invoking of the Rule indicates diversion tactics by someone losing an argument or debate.

"Oh yeah? But...but...you are a nazi, so there, I win the internetz!" LOL

littledog said...

Gawd, the shit-slinging. Where's Turd Burglar when you need him, to suck up all the mess?
FHOTD comments used to be funny and often educational. Then the crazies took over and turned it into an accusation-revenge-fest. Too bad.

joanna said...

Prairie Farmer- If I were a reporter, I probably be more like you. I try to see all aspects of the story and why people do what they do. No snark (unless I'm really tired and getting punchy). I will admit to sometimes overreacting to some situations, however I usually don't say or do much, just vent to my husband (who is a great calming influence) until I get my thoughts in order, look at the whole situation, weigh my options, then do something. Instead of jumping down people's throats about horse care, I try to gentley educate first, then when all else fails, call the authorities. It's a lesson I learned back in college, when I had a tendency to open my mouth first, think later. I just wish some people here would do that and not be so darn defensive. I mean, after all, in the greater scheme of things, who are these people to you (not you specifically, just generally)?

I didn't mean to put you guys on a pedestal- I just meant you guys don't seem to be likely run willy-nilly yelling the sky is falling. More sit back and assess the situation before saying anything, people I would be happy to meet.


Can I send you an e-mail? I have a few frustrated gardener questions and would like to know your opinion on Egyptian Walking onions (I saw you were growing them on your web site)

joanna said...

Littledog- exactly what I was thinking! I found myself scrolling down more than reading.

GoLightly said...

Wow, egyptian walking onions.

Now that's scary..

I always scroll up, it's faster;)

PrairieFarmer said...

Joanna - of course. My email is on my profile, I do believe.
Egyptian Walking Onions are awesome. (GoLightly, you have the cleverest sense of humor). Although I haven't figured out if they are called that because the came from Egypt, or because they "walk like an Egyptian" (per the Bangles...).
Either way, they are good...
P.S. I scroll up too, lets me get right into the "hottest topic" and then I can read for that and ignore the rest.

CharlesCityCat said...

PF and GL:

Snorking on your onion comments.

SFTS said...

leonard_mccoy wrote:
SFTS said...
>>> roses, that drama was/is *my life* and was brought forth by someone other than myself, a disturbed someone with a large axe to grind. Should I have ignored them and simply made a general statement that nothing said was true? Perhaps. However, again, hindsight being 20/20, I asked others what they would have done. No one had a defined answer for that. My reasoning for putting up that "TMI" was to show that I had nothing to hide, my life is an open book. I do nothing under cover of anonymity. People wish to come forth and throw venom at me, they will get it back tenfold, from someone who is not anonymous. <<<


Reading this particular paragraph and other recent postings by SFTS, the content, sentiment and underlying message is eerily similar to Dena's. The only difference I see is the style.

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First of all, if you see "eerie similarities" between my postings and Dena, I'd gently suggest you need a new eyeglass prescription. ;)

Second, if you are not an alter or someone brought here (recruited) by another in this little war, you would not have chosen to post with no visible profile and you would own your words as opposed to posting anonymously.

Just saying.

And third, at least in my case, I mind my own business unless attacked, I think for myself and choose to simply take what others post with a grain of salt.

Is it possible that we have several people here with similar bad/unfair experiences at the hands of another?
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Here is the difference between Dena and I ~ Dena's experiences were self-inflicted (drug addiction/substance abuse). Mine were not.

Before making judgments, you should have gone back and read older comments, including those where I defended Dena back during the Dream Chasers thread. I have all that saved, by the way. Those comments were emailed to my inbox and are archived now. So no, in my case at least this was never about whether or not I liked Dena. It was about self defense.

GoLightly said...

PF, I LOVE that song..

Do they seriously have.. or never mind I'll ask you on your blog.
This here blog is for snortin' and fartin'.
Put up ye'er dukes, lassies!

JohnieRotten said...

Gl

you crack me up!

Kaede said...

I'm so ignorant about Arabians I first thought Egyptian Walking Onions was a type of Arabian horse, you know, like Polish or Crabbet? This was a line of Egyptians called the Walking Onion line. Which now that I think about it Would be a good name for a horse.

GoLightly said...

Kaede, oh that's classic.

Some of them do look like they are walking on onions...
Or around onions, maybe..
WalkingAroundOnion Arabs.
Now that's a WTF!

<')
<")

sorry, machines are running, I'm trying to ignore the big black clouds of more frickin' RAIN.
in
TORONTO
eeeek.

Thanks, JR. Good to see you smile again.

SFTS said...

Kaede wrote:
I'm so ignorant about Arabians I first thought Egyptian Walking Onions was a type of Arabian horse, you know, like Polish or Crabbet? This was a line of Egyptians called the Walking Onion line.
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LOL...I am so glad I'm done with my coffee for the morning! Very funny! :P

leonard_mccoy said...

First of all, if you see "eerie similarities" between my postings and Dena, I'd gently suggest you need a new eyeglass prescription. ;)

Second, if you are not an alter or someone brought here (recruited) by another in this little war, you would not have chosen to post with no visible profile and you would own your words as opposed to posting anonymously.

Just saying.
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okie dokie

I've been registered for a while and posted a time or two on fhotd back in the day. Honestly, I don't participate on blogger often enough to even realize I had a profile to update. There are no trolls or monsters lurking in the shadows here...just an objective party making an observation :). If you don't agree, that's fine. We all have our individualized perceptions of things and my perception is based only on what's been presented. I'm sure there's more to EVERY story....

SFTS said...

leonard_mccoy wrote:
okie dokie

I've been registered for a while and posted a time or two on fhotd back in the day. Honestly, I don't participate on blogger often enough to even realize I had a profile to update. There are no trolls or monsters lurking in the shadows here...just an objective party making an observation :). If you don't agree, that's fine. We all have our individualized perceptions of things and my perception is based only on what's been presented. I'm sure there's more to EVERY story....

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Okay. :) Maybe update your profile so we can get to know you?

And I believe folks would think better of others, not accusing them of being trolls, if they actually added insightful, intelligent commentary to horse-related posts as opposed to simply jumping on a bashing bandwagon, though I know better than to expect that out of many folks. It is human nature to gang up, after all.

CharlesCityCat said...

JR:

I keep trying to read your posts about your beloved ponies. Can't do it yet.

I just want to extend my deepest sympathies. While there comes a time to do what is right for them, it is always painful.

I haven't had to put one of my horses down yet, but I have had to do so with dogs. I carry each and everyone in my heart as I know you and CNJ do with your beloved animals.

Kaede said...

SFTS
Back on a topic of the cost of boarding horses: Believe me it is worth it to me to have someone I trust (background checks, BBB, Consumers Checkbook/Angies list, follow up on recommendations, been in the same business, in the same location for more then 5 years. etc)caring for my horse. I'll never have the problem of abuse or neglect, unsupervised kids goofing around my horse, less then perfectly supervised toddlers crawling into the pasture and getting kicked/bitten?
[just who would be liable then hmmm? Me as the horse owner of a "dangerous" horse (he is missing an eye, and doesn't like being approached on that side) the BO for having inadequate fencing, both of us, or the kids parents? One lawsuit and all my "profit" from a cheaper boarding spot is gone. A good lawyer around here costs $500.00 an hour.]
Someone selling my horse/kidnapping my horse without my knowledge (24 hour security is a wonderful thing) An illness than a stable hand (with limited English and no experience in dealing with horses)didn't recognize and couldn't describe anyhow (just what is Urdu for "rolling around on the floor and groaning" ?) to a vet.
In addition, if I call (early) and ask (politely) my horse will be tacked up and waiting for me and then washed, cooled and put away for me.
Yes, my job (the one that PAYS my bills) sometimes requires me to be on tight deadlines, or even be gone for a week or two at a time. I like knowing my horse will be OK, even if I can't check in on him. I can get Facebook updates and photos of him while I'm gone if I want.
And there is the convenience factor, I couldn't have a horse if I had to drive 3 hours round trip to get to the stable. I don't have that kind of free time.
From reading your posts and your blog (good start by the by) you sound like the kind of person who gives that kind of service.
PF, I also pay a premium for my "humanely raised" vegetables at my local farmers market. Tomatoes at $2.50 a pound last week. Sweet corn was cheap, 5 ear for a dollar.

rosesr4evr said...

Kaede,

"In addition, if I call (early) and ask (politely) my horse will be tacked up and waiting for me and then washed, cooled and put away for me."


whoo woot! Can you say spoiled?? I wish someone would tack mine up and cool 'em off! But then again, you pay pretty handsomely, it seems, to have that be part of your boarding amenities. So on that note, I think I'll just do it the hard way. LOL

Dena said...

leonard mccoy I do not entirely disagree with your presentation.
Only thing that irks me is that I have and do take personal responsibility for what I have done.
Not that it is anyones business the explanations offered by me were simply a courtesy.
I did not cause myself to become the topic of supposition.
And that is all I have to say about that.

SFTS you have yet again gone far beyond what is allowed or decent.
So, as it would seem that the next few days will be filled with more supposition, speculation, and the facts and truths of the matters at hand generally ignored, I will only post this once.

Cathy Atkinson has been found to have violated the terms and conditions, otherwise known as, the "Agreement", with regard to her fhotd blog.
Cathy Atkinson does not have the ability at this time to self-will her open comments option back into existence.
Simpple as that.

SFTS you are next. As, you too have violated the terms and conditions of the "Agreement" with regard to your usage of Blogger to harass another individual and attempt to incite additional harassment.
Yours is a little more significent as there is already a court order in place prohibiting you from such conduct.

So, I will only say this, it would be my sincere hope that no other horse finds themselves in need of emergency medical treatment on the day of your next hearing.
But do not worry about having to face this alone.
Your multitudinous SNs may feel free to accompany you.

Kaede said...

What is an "SN"? I teens keep me informed about most Chatspeak, I do know what a sock puppet is for instance. I don't want to have to deal with the ribbing I'm going to get from them if I ask more than I have too.

CharlesCityCat said...

Kaede:

Could you tell me what a sock puppet is? Someone referred to me as one recently and I had no idea what it meant.

SN - screen name

Kaede said...

Roses, I like taking care of my horse myself. There are predictable times (usually around the end of a quarter)that "nope, no time right now" that usually lasts between 2 and 4 weeks, about 3 times a year.
I guess the corollary question to what does board cost in your area, is what does your board include? Trailering is a part of my board (if I don't abuse it). So is daily grooming, exercise, blanketing and clipping as needed. I pay for the farrier, but they keep an eye on his hoofs. If there is an emergency, they deal with it. (I am called first though. "Handsome just threw a shoe, farrier can come this afternoon") I don't (often can't) take time off from work to wait for vets, farriers, curious onlookers, what ever. This is taken care of for me.

SFTS said...

Kaede wrote:
SFTS
Back on a topic of the cost of boarding horses

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Here in California, we are yet to have an Equine Limited Liability law which unfortunately creates all sorts of problems for both stable owners and horse owners when someone acts irresponsibly (parent, child, or otherwise).

Sounds like you have a GREAT barn to board at, unfortunately there are far too many who don't offer the sort of security, amenities and bonuses you have, so treasure it! :)

From reading your posts and your blog (good start by the by) you sound like the kind of person who gives that kind of service.
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Thanks for the compliment on my blog!! Something to do in order to exercise my writing skills (which unfortunately these days do not get enough of a workout ~ lol) and an activity to keep me busy when it's too hot outside to even think about riding.

I try to give the very best of service, though no one is perfect. There are so many "little things" I see on a regular basis at different facilities that I would change, thus making a huge improvement. Not that I consider myself the "be all, end all" expert by any means. Some of it is just common sense.

Sadly, I do not have my own facility at this point in time, so I'm working out of a couple of different farms as well as offering mobile training services until such time as we are prepared to invest.

Dena said...

sock puppet; someone manipulated and controlled by another
Theory being the easiest of puppets a person can have.

No one with a brain could ever confuse you as being one CCC.

Kaede said...

Thanks CCC.
A sock puppet an online identity used for deception in a online community. A NY times article said that sock puppets were for the purpose of creating a fake online ID to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one's self, ones allies, company, ones causes. Ebay often has sock puppet problems. People buy cheap crap from themselves to boost their sellers rating.

JohnieRotten said...

Here is the deal....

I started this blog so it can be a place for people to come and vent. Which can be a good thing at times.

That being said, no Dena I will not moderate this blog. You are adults and as such I would expect everyone here to understand that there are rules to be followed. If, I have to end up moderating this blog, then what is the point in having comments.

As far as SFTS is concerned, what happens in her private life is really none of my business, and I intend to keep it that way. Whether she has one client or ten I do not care. As far as Buckinboo is concerned, there again I do not care. And if all of SFTS's problems have been caused by this person, then it is only up to SFTS to handle it in any fashion that she seems fit. And if SFTS is comfortable airing her personal dirty laundry on a blog, I am ok with that as well!

There are other topics that we can dicuss on the Gloves and I would like to pursue those at some point.

I personally like everyone and would prefer that it stays that way.

SFTS said...

Kaede wrote:
I guess the corollary question to what does board cost in your area, is what does your board include? Trailering is a part of my board (if I don't abuse it). So is daily grooming, exercise, blanketing and clipping as needed. I pay for the farrier, but they keep an eye on his hoofs. If there is an emergency, they deal with it. (I am called first though. "Handsome just threw a shoe, farrier can come this afternoon") I don't (often can't) take time off from work to wait for vets, farriers, curious onlookers, what ever. This is taken care of for me.
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This is a GREAT topic and you ask an excellent question! We have always had basic board rates (feeding 2x or 3x per day, stall cleaning 1x or 2x per day) plus offered additional services for a small nominal charge. Lunch feeding (that third feeding mentioned) does not cost extra, though the owner provides feed supplements in their own container(s), horses in box stalls are cleaned twice per day (at no additional charge) when horses in paddocks are cleaned once per day.

Trailering is extra for boarders/clients, though heavily discounted from those who do not board; exercise/turnout, grooming, clipping and blanketing/unblanketing services are all charged separately though the charges are quite small. There are also charges for holding an owner's horse for the farrier or mobile vet when the owner schedules a visit and cannot be there. Emergencies are handled by staff, if the owner is not available or cannot be contacted, but the boarding contracts say all reasonable efforts will be taken to contact the owner and receive permission before initiating veterinary care. If it's a life and death situation, and the owner cannot be gotten hold of, permission is granted via the signed contract that vet care will be sought for the horse then billed to the owner.

rosesr4evr said...

Kaede,

In answer to your question, Board rates are all over the map here. they can range from as cheap as renting a stall only for $50(That means all you get is the stall and everything else is your responsibility) to $500 for the really ritzy barns where everything is included. Trailering usually isn't one of the things included, neither is excercising them, tacking them up, or cooling them out after exercise. Most barns here have operating hours and you can't be there either before or after those hours. Daily grooming, exercise, blanketing and clipping as needed all cost extra here as well as having someone hold your horse for farrier/vet visits and having to give horse supplements or meds.

As for me, I was paying $150/month for self care(meaning I cleaned my stall every day, took care of horse and provided my own feed/hay/supplements) I did have access to the indoor/outdoor arena when it wasn't busy with lessons or trainers. But now I have moved my girl to a friends house (I pay her $50 plus we take turns buying feed/hay) until I can get our pasture at the new house-YAY!! fenced in and a barn put up.

I guess I could put up a lean to and use some electric fence to get her there sooner, but I've already paid for my hay for the winter and at least where she is she has buddies. We have to wait until spring to be able to finance the new barn and fencing. Buying a house is expensive and we need a breather.

rosesr4evr said...

*ack* exercising sorry spelling fail

CharlesCityCat said...

Thanks ladies. That explains alot.

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
SFTS you have yet again gone far beyond what is allowed or decent.
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Oh for crying out loud, Dena, get over yourself.

This is NOT all about you, as many others have pointed out to you ad nauseum.

You remind me of the drama queen who just...can't...help but shout from the rooftops that you have been wronged, want everything to calm down and as soon as it does, you jump right back in and stir up more bullshit. It's a disease, seemingly your new addiction.

SFTS you are next. As, you too have violated the terms and conditions of the "Agreement" with regard to your usage of Blogger to harass another individual and attempt to incite additional harassment.
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LMAO...okay, what color dress should I wear while waiting for your process server?? Blue to match my eyes, perhaps? Or maybe white, in celebration of your KKK tendencies (a'la your alter "uenduphere")?? *eyeroll*

Yours is a little more significent as there is already a court order in place prohibiting you from such conduct.
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Reading comprehension FAIL. Again. This is becoming a pattern for you, Dena.

So, I will only say this, it would be my sincere hope that no other horse finds themselves in need of emergency medical treatment on the day of your next hearing. But do not worry about having to face this alone. Your multitudinous SNs may feel free to accompany you.
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ROTFL!!!!!!!! Once again, Dena is in the realm of the pot calling the kettle black. 'Nuff said.

Do you realize, Dena, that you are the comic relief in the online horse blog world? Is that what you really want, when you sometimes try so desperately to be accepted? Apparently so.

Very few are still listening to you and as long as you continue down your path of looking more and more batshit crazy by the moment, they ultimately may abandon you, as well. The more you post, the more insane you look.

Carry on.

Dena said...

wow...I still don't hear anything. well...at least...little worth retaining.

Except Kaede's definition of sock puppet. Was that an urban definition?

SFTS said...

Thank you for being the voice of reason, JR (heh, did I really say that? :P) ~ TIC for those of you who could not figure that out!!

Dena has made it her personal crusade to shut down FHOTD, by now we have all seen that. This has extended to everyone she's decided to pick on over her tenure there, and she seems suddenly surprised and exasperated by the fact that her constant harassment of Blogger has caused Cathy to momentarily remove the comments section of her blog, and even more surprised to find that her juvenile, insane looking antics (including the aforementioned) have caused a whole lot of people to become very angry with her. So, she throws around threats and additional accusations, doing EXACTLY what she accuses others of doing, being hateful, harassing and so forth.

Even though I have tried, several times over the past number of months, to understand where Dena is coming from, to "feel her pain", to sympathize, to offer moral support and much more, only to have had her turn her venom on me merely because she disagreed with how "opinionated" I was and that in her esteemed opinion I was "unprofessional" in my assessment of the Dream Chasers/Shiloh fiasco. She went about beginning her campaign against me in such a backward, underhanded, sneaky manner that honestly I never saw it coming.

I did really want to thank you JR, for taking the time to make this blog and giving folks a place to vent, as well as trying (sometimes to no avail) to draw the FHOTD arguments over here so as not to muddy the waters during important discussions there. I am saddened by the fact that your efforts were largely ignored and disgusted by the fact that Dena could not respect you enough to bring her petty quarrels here as you intended and repeatedly requested.

Kaede said...

SFTS and Roses
The more I reread my own postings about what my board includes, the more spoiled I think I am. It his point in my life I can pay for what I need/want. When you are working a 50 to 70 hours work week, I just don't have time to worm (wait for the farrier, vet, learn how to drive a large truck, etc) myself.
SFTS I do think it is some of the little things, (Facebook updates on my horse when I'm out of town, ideas about which supplements are needed and what dosage to use)And the parties they give. A number of the boarders have small children, a Halloween, Christmas and Easter party are given that are child centered. The adults come too. (The haunted hayride, featuring ghost horses, is a blast, so is Santa coming to the barn in a viceroy driving a pair of hackneys ) There are family parties at 4th of July, Memorial day and Labor day. Adults who don't have local families are invited to the Thanksgiving Feast.
I hadn't thought about it before a few days ago but I guess the stable is taking it's cue from some of the local country clubs that offer much the same amenities. I do like the changing room.
As for hours, there are standard open hours, but again if I call, they are there for me 24/7 again so long as I don't abuse it.(I have never called asking to ride at 2 am.) I also like knowing that if I fall off, there is someone there who is a Red Cross certified Professional Rescuer. These little things mean a lot to me.

rosesr4evr said...

Kaede,

It sounds like utopia and I definitely think you're spoiled! ;-)

*pouting

Kaede said...

I guess so Dena, I do live in a very urban area. I just got a letter from my youngest, who is at a camp in your neck of the woods. She likes swimming in a lake. She had never been able to do that. I don't believe she has ever seen a real lake either. All the lakes around here are artificial. Her camp is near the Boundary Waters Wilderness area. She also saw loons and a bald eagle. Amazing. I've never seen a bald eagle out side of a zoo.

Dena said...

Sorry I had to reread the terms and conditions.

SFTS I could care less what you present about yourself.
As, it is easily dismissed from my mind and inconsequential to the truth.

I find humor in most of you presentations as they read like a Greek Epic, in dactylic hexameter.

The only thing that has ever concerned me is your use of blogger as a tool of harassment.
With specific regard to minor children.

As, I have witnessed it there is a moral and societal obligation on my part to report it.

In truth if I had any questions about you or your life, they would simply be this.
Who is D. Delgado?
And why does he avoid you like the plague?

Have a nice day everyone.

Dena said...

Kaede. Very cool. We are after all the Land of 10,000 lakes.
Bald Eagles are a sight to see. and the Loons are amazing on a morning or late evening when all is quiet.
Has she complained at all about the mosquitoes and gnats yet?
Our winters are unpleasant in the extreme though.
At least, to me. They last forever.

Kaede said...

there is a D. Delgado who writes Islamic Children's fiction, featuring brave girls. I like her work.

flying fig said...

Dena - you have posted some blogs - not just comments but the blogs themselves - that were full of venom and vitriol... far worse than anything posted at FHOTD in that regard. You wisely deleted them - but even they were not in violation of the Agreement as you solemnly proclaim. Things are not as cut and dried as all that. And yes, I do know what I am talking about...

>>FHOTD comments used to be funny and often educational. Then the crazies took over and turned it into an accusation-revenge-fest. Too bad<<

Yes, they could be. And one could adress the ones that got out of line or jumped all over someone for their weight etc. (such corrections happened all the time) and yet carry on with a decent conversation about the issues. As far as comments in that last FHOTD blog - aside from one or two sharing the phone number of that kid's family which was uncalled for (which some of us expressed) - the vitriol came mainly from you, Dena - beating us over the head again and again and again with foul language and threats. Your point could be presented without the language. Without the threats. Without hinting that Dark And Mysterious Things are about to befall anyone who you have decided is to be targeted. That cheapens any valid concerns... and just makes you sound... like that which you say you abhor.

Kaede has the correct definition of sock puppet as it pertains to the interwebz.

CCC - as far as I know, you have never been a sock puppet... creating alters just to praise yourself, defend yourself or even having the alternate SNs praise and defend each other...

Nor have I.

leonard_mcCoy - may I call you Bones? Heh. I love your SN... and I had to BWAHAHAHA!! at the Godwins Rule of Nazi Analogies.... heee! Is there also a corollary that addresses KKK analogies?

Re board: Our barn charges about $300 less than ones in the area that offer the same amenities. Full board, box stalls, individual turnout all day, use of covered arena, immediate access to 800 plus acres of watershed trails that connect to other well-maintained trails. Miles and miles of them. Indoor washrack. There is a co-op arrangement to purchase things like wormer at a discount. All for $450.

But then, they have had to put up with the New Trainer who uses the other half of the barn insisting that everyone should cater to her.

IMO that is worth that $300 discount.

And then some.

Kaede said...

I sent her with a bottle of 30% deet, I don't think any bug is going to be brave enough to get near her. Not that many bugs in this city either, except palmetto bugs. (Cockroaches about the size of your hand.) I understand that y'all had a cold snap about a week ago. I looked at the lows and highs of that week and compared them to when it is that cold here, middle of February, when the daffodils bloom. I wrote her and asked if she could find a snowball and bring it home.

Dena said...

Kaede no snowballs in July here. Avon's Skin So Soft is touted as the end all for bugs that bite here.
We even use it in the horses.
The Deet will keep her comfy too though.
Daffodils are one of my favorite flowers.
Cold snap is more towards the North.
*I remember. New Orleans cockroaches like you describe clacking their way down the sidewalks after dark.
Hope your daughter is having a wonderful time.

FF I am not going to debate on this with you.
I have no sop for your bad feeling on this.
It is as simple as the open comments on fhotd are no longer available.

SFTS said...

Kaede wrote:
The more I reread my own postings about what my board includes, the more spoiled I think I am.

You truly are! However I would say you are blessed as opposed to spoiled. :)

Love, love, love the barns which throw parties, one of the facilities I work from hosts events for each holiday and most are geared toward the kids. Just an incredible amount of fun!

SFTS said...

Pink elephants, anyone? Poor Dena seems to see them in every corner.

Dena, you are so full of shit I find it incredible you don't drown in your own feces.

I am still awaiting your process server. However I daresay you would be better off to spend your money paying the utility bills and feeding your horses, as well as caring for your children instead of pursuing frivolous court actions across the internet.

In truth if I had any questions about you or your life, they would simply be this.
Who is D. Delgado?
And why does he avoid you like the plague?

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ROTFLMAO!! Oh, Lord. And I thought you told me via email, when you were trying to stroke my ego about a week and a half ago that you were not in communication with anyone privately about me?

It is obvious from this insane drivel of yours that you were, as I suspected all along, lying. Surprise, surprise (not).

I am fairly certain the Commander will not be pleased to see a nutcase such as you has dragged their name into your petty bullshit attacks against me, however I daresay the USCG may be interested in you for their anti-terrorism watch unit.

And for the record, D. Delgado has never avoided me like the plague. I am sure the next time we speak after they become settled in their new home will be quite entertaining.

Have a nice day, Dena. Are the men in white coats at your doorstep yet?

SFTS said...

flying fig wrote:
Dena - you have posted some blogs - not just comments but the blogs themselves - that were full of venom and vitriol... far worse than anything posted at FHOTD in that regard. You wisely deleted them - but even they were not in violation of the Agreement as you solemnly proclaim. Things are not as cut and dried as all that. And yes, I do know what I am talking about...

>>FHOTD comments used to be funny and often educational. Then the crazies took over and turned it into an accusation-revenge-fest. Too bad<<

Yes, they could be. And one could adress the ones that got out of line or jumped all over someone for their weight etc. (such corrections happened all the time) and yet carry on with a decent conversation about the issues. As far as comments in that last FHOTD blog - aside from one or two sharing the phone number of that kid's family which was uncalled for (which some of us expressed) - the vitriol came mainly from you, Dena - beating us over the head again and again and again with foul language and threats. Your point could be presented without the language. Without the threats. Without hinting that Dark And Mysterious Things are about to befall anyone who you have decided is to be targeted. That cheapens any valid concerns... and just makes you sound... like that which you say you abhor.

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STANDING OVATION

Bravo, flying fig. w00t!!!

rosesr4evr said...

Jesus Christ,

Would you all just shut the fuck up already??

SFTS said...

Dena's (unsolicited, out of the blue) email to me, #1:

On July 11, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Dena Rodacker wrote:

Stacy,

Words cannot express how amazed I am at your recent transformation. I do not know if you knew this or not, but whenever it is a personal disagreement that becomes out of hand that I blog about on sunshine it goes into draft when it is has run its course.

I have never yet removed anything from LBTD but I may make an exception for the kitty blogs with regard to you.

It was never my intent to make you an object of ridicule.. I don't know that I expect you to believe that.

As mad as I was I was trying to show you and others how to treat those kind of attacks with humor. That was meant to be somewhat harmless.

I would not have faulted you had you expressed your opinion on the DCRR/SHR craptastic free for all over the last day.

As, I already knew you had your own opinion.
That you chose to refrain? Well I interpreted that as a tremendous act of goodwill..

I have enjoyed reading your posts of late. I have enjoyed that you are becoming comfortable enough to play.

And people are beginning to comprehend that that is what you are doing.

Your contributions on training have such a different tone that I find myself saying "well said" to myself reading them.

I just wanted to share that with you. And say, "Good job! And way to Go!" And I mean that sincerely.

It is your life, your family, and your future. And I wish you and your family a very successful and joyful future.

Sincerely,

Dena Rodacker

P.S. If for any reason you wish to email me you are welcome to do so."

JohnieRotten said...

Dena and SFTS

If you two want to go after each other that is fine. However, I do not, and I repeat, I do not want outside names dragged through the mud or brought into your personal battles in any was, shape or form.

No D.Delgaldo, no buckinboo or any reference there to!

This is stricktly between you two and no one else!

I will not repeat this warning!

SFTS said...

After I responded the next day, mainly inquiring about a few things that were on my mind in regard to her behavior and being in contact privately with anyone regarding me, she responded with the following:

On July 12, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Dena Rodacker wrote:

Stacy,
I think going to look at both rescues would be a good idea. I do not disagree in the slightest. I did not mean to suggest that you refrained from comment because of me.

But rather, in that we have all said our piece several times.

I am possibly going with on a haul to deliver horses that would include CA and NV and I was thinking the same thing myself. Just see for myself and then decide what I know vs. what I think.

I have already had reports from people I actually know and trust. But it isn't the same as seeing for myself is it?

As to being contacted by others? The one off my blog? I was under the impression that the email address given vs. the other SN were separate people.

I can in all honesty and truth tell you that I have been contacted by no one wishing or trying to do you harm or in any way negatively affect your reputation or life.

No one has tried to list your supposed sins or transgressions to me. If I had any power to do such, I wish it were possible for you and all the people you speak of, as having tried to ruin your life and your business, to find forgiveness for each other and move on.
I know that isn't always possible.

And I also know that sometimes there is just too much hurt and hard feelings to even want to.
I am speaking from personal experience here.
My own life.

I have no idea what you have been through. By the same token I have no idea what the others feel they have been through. No one has told me anything I can understand.

Sorry, you are the only one I have heard any of the details from and when a person is or feels under attack what is expressed isn't always clear you know what I mean?

Most importantly, I was not there. I have no personal experience of.

I sincerely hope things continue to improve for you and your's.

If I had anything at all that would help resolve this situation it wouldn't be necessary to subpoena it. I would give it freely and willingly. If nothing else I hope that will bring you some ease and peace of mind.

Life is hard enough without anyone deliberately and unnecessarily making it so.

I had meant to ask after the email I received from Joe at TBfriends. Have you ever heard of such a thing at the Mexican rodeos as what he wrote to me?

It is on my blog http://livingbeyondthebream.blogspot.com

I just don't even want to type the words again. It makes me literally feel sick.
I would appreciate hearing from you as you do live in CA if you have ever heard of such a thing.

And I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and asking me what you wanted to know. I just wish people in general were kinder to each other all of the time.

Take Care
Dena"

rosesr4evr said...

For all of you who are upset about FHOTD's comment section being shutdown by blogger, visit her blog, she's designed an alternative for those of you that are barn blind, have piss poor morals, are willing to overlook the fact that she's a raging hypocrit, among other things!

SFTS said...

Finally, this:

On July 12, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Dena Rodacker wrote:

Stacy,
I accepted the apology the moment I got it. I just meant the people of the world all of us in general. And thank you for the kind invitation. If I get that way I will come and meet you and your horses.

I got that impression if you can call it that because the email was from someone asking me some general information on horses/rescues etc. if I remember correctly.

The only interaction I had with the SN was on the blog.

My email box usually presents me with 50 to 100 items per day so sometimes it is hard to remember who is who if I don't have any type of regular contact with them or an established relationship.

In reference to what I meant I only relied on the information you yourself posted or had on your website. I may have gone into left field when some other people posted on fhotd but when I got my stupid temper back under control I remembered how wrong I thoought it was for others to do that so it wasn't okay for me to either.

The whole 2 wrongs will never make a right thing.

I think horse tripping is heinous. I think any type of abuse is. And I do not disbelieve that a blatantly caucasian person might not be welcomed at some activities.

The only thing I totally took offense to was the implication by Joe that this was Mexican culture. Some might use that excuse. And Charreada is yes.

Goat screwing is not.

I just get so frustrated with what turns into racial profiling in a way.

All Mexican people. All black people. All Asians. Etc..

I live by people are people. I have to. Otherwise, I might say, why does everyone here in America not speak my people language. They were here first.

But there is no going back in time. So we must go forward.

And it seems to me that we must go forward as people.

I think that if people want to engage in traditions that are not legal where they reside they must practice those traditions where they are from. Not that I would wish or in any way endorse abuse anywhere.

Some traditions for many people are based in very unevolved ignorance. To me understanding that is simple. Changing that is not. I do not believe ignorance should be respected ot revered.

Slavery was a tradition. It was abolished. Pagan human sacrifice was a tradition. Hopefully it has been abolished. Marrying relatives that were too closely related especially in royalty was a tradition. That has changed.

I think the only way to address the Charreada is to enforce the illegality as applied to any other person.

I know....I am rambling...I will stop now.lol

Dena

SFTS said...

Thank you, JR. I am sure a high ranking military officer with an impeccable and unimpeachable record will greatly appreciate that you will not allow a disturbed individual like Dena Rodacker to drag their name through the mud on this blog.

What's the matter, roses, is watching your idol get as good as she gives heartwrenching for you? Get over it. She brought this on herself, just as she did all of her many other troubles in life, and now she is reaping the reward of being a vitriolic, unhinged bitch.

flying fig said...

>>I have no sop for your bad feeling on this.<<

I'm sorry - I am dense today. Translation??

Dena - having open comments was better than not having them. At least then there was a check rein at times on the way some posters wanted to go after someone. What - you think that closing the comments will stop that sort of person? Seriously? I have a swamp I'd like to sell you, in that case...

And now there will also be no open and public counterbalance to what Cathy says in the blog. No one to have an opposing view. No one to point out in public that she was wrong about something or to disagree with HSUS stuff. No way to offer an alternative way to look at things. So all that removing the comments did - was make it a completely one-sided presentation. You actually prefer that?!! I don't. A variety of input and opinions is always preferable.

If FHOTD was found to be in severe violation as you claim - and Cathy was held responsible for all the lame comments, it would have been nuked completely. It wasn't. And the blog owner has the option of closing the comments section themselves.

I had a friend a couple of years ago who hated her ex with a passion. Ex had a blog on Blogger. So she started a campaign to close it. She flagged, she emailed Blogger, she ranted at Google, she raged. I saw all the communications between her and Blogger so have an idea of how they respond to such things. In the end they found no substance to her OTT claims and she pushed at them enough that she became a nuisance and was blocked.

I am sorry - I cannot condone the way you carried on in those comments with the foul language and threats. You would be upset with anyone else carrying on that way about something. If anyone threatened you darkly that your world was about to change and hinted that you better watch out... you would think that was acceptable? No, you wouldn't.

roses - she did not "design" that alternative. That option was always there. But now we will only get to read "select" commentary as opposed to many people having a say. Because that is sooooo much better than having an open discussion. Not. And yet that was what you wanted?

And saying that does not mean that I am barn blind or have piss-poor morals. Back to the insults again.

All I wanted is the exchange of ideas and that very crucial counterbalance. Which is now impossible!

As far as a cult goes - that refers to a group of people of one mind, one opinion and one following. And anyone reading those comments could see that opinions were all over the place. Not the mindless chant some have portrayed them to be. You posted there more than me... merrily giving it hits... so you saw the myriad of opinions (and were part of them), were never censored, said what you pleased and yet now use the cult comparison?? There must be a Godwin's rule pertaining to that as well, I would think. ;-)

So much for my computer time - the vet has arrived so we can remove young master Finnegan from the equine gene pool. The geldings here are waaaay nicer than many of the so-called herd sires I have seen - and IMO a farm's geldings demonstrate the quality of their breeding program. Mind you, Finn's mom helped him out in that regard - when he was 3 months old she kicked him in the side of his head (silly witch) and his eye ended up needing to be removed. No show career in his future but he will make someone a wonderful recreational horse as he has completely adapted to a one-eyed view of the world... and he is an elegant and extremely well put together guy..

SFTS said...

Damnit FF, stop making so damn much sense!! :P

flying fig said...

Just a quick note on the way out the door...

SFTS - I consider all emails sent to me to be private correspondence. I would never share them - let alone post them on the net for all to see.
Why are you posting Dena's emails to you? IMO - that is not appropriate.


*off to remove the jewels*

SFTS said...

flying fig wrote:
Just a quick note on the way out the door...

SFTS - I consider all emails sent to me to be private correspondence. I would never share them - let alone post them on the net for all to see.

Why are you posting Dena's emails to you? IMO - that is not appropriate.

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FF, I am simply returning the favor from when she posted my emails to her on another blog of hers, the "Up Yours Sunshine" blog.

We shall see how she likes the tables being turned.

Dena said...

Awwww...what's the matter SFTS? Did the process server show up?

That is a direct consequence of your actions.

I fail to see where posting my email to you has painted me in a bad light.
Have a nice day...

And JR jump up my ass? Dude there was no direct reference made by me.
Please do reread.
I may possibly have been mistaken in my reference to the individual as being a he.
God knows it has happened before.
Ask drsgjunky.

Just to be clear JR you would not have put up with this crap for one minute if it involved one of your family members.

Your warning is duly noted.

SFTS said...

Aww what's the matter, Dena? Feeling a little bit punky? Direct consequence of your actions.

Now you're going to start shit with JR, after everything he has had to deal with in laying their beloved family's ponies to rest?

Incredible.

No, sorry, no process servers here. I am still waiting, though. But I won't hold my breath.

Your emails to me prove you to be a liar of the worst degree, when viewed against your comments here. Big surprise there.

No direct reference to the individual in question...now I have truly seen it all. LOL!! Do you actually believe the shit you post, or are you just throwing whatever against the wall to see what may stick?

Truly batshit crazy and unhinged, you are, Dena. Truly.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I guess we have our answer as to how Ms Rodacker likes the tables being turned. As expected, she lashes out at whatever target she think she can sting. This time, JR. Who's next?

Dena said...

SFTS if you ever knew the full truth you I am sure would give us all the single greatest presentation of batshit crazy and unhinged the world has ever seen.

I am absolutely certain of that.

Don't you have a horse to ride? Some hired help to supervise?
Something to do that actually has to do with your real life in horses?

SFTS said...

Dena wrote:
SFTS if you ever knew the full truth you I am sure would give us all the single greatest presentation of batshit crazy and unhinged the world has ever seen.

I am absolutely certain of that.

Don't you have a horse to ride? Some hired help to supervise?

Something to do that actually has to do with your real life in horses?

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I wouldn't be so certain of anything if I were you, Dena.

There you go again with your rambling, insane threats of doom and gloom voodoo hoodoo bullshit. But we have all come to expect that from you.

Actually, pretty soon I will be heading over to the feed store to do my shopping for the week, and afterwards I'll have some lessons to give and two final horses to ride. Glad you are so concerned!

As of right now, though, I am content to stay inside, out of the 105 degree weather and enjoy myself reading back through your old blog entries and the comments you have made. Endless entertainment from your foot-in-mouth style, I must say.

;)

leonard_mccoy said...

flying fig said...
leonard_mcCoy - may I call you Bones?
__________________________________________
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Of course! In fact, Bones may have been a better SN for me in the 1st place.


rosesr4evr said...
Jesus Christ,

Would you all just shut the fuck up already??
___________________________________________
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Awww, but you haven't even heard about my day today yet. First, I got out of bed. Then, I took a couple of advils. Then, I sat on the couch. Then, I went to work. Now, I am home.

How exciting was that!!!

rosesr4evr said...

Bones,

That was quite nice! I liked hearing about your day. Sorry you needed the Advils...Do you have any left? I might be in need of some.

leonard_mccoy said...

I have a ridiculously large jug of advil. I can certainly spare a couple :)

SFTS said...

Here is the deal in a nutshell. There are literally dozens of blogs out there which do the exact same thing as FHOTD. I have seen many of them. Some are written by those who have commented at FHOTD, some have never even heard of FHOTD. Dena went after Cathy for one reason and one reason alone ~ herself being featured there, by Cathy. It is understandable, I believe most would be more than a little bit pissed off about being singled out for ridicule by someone unknown to us. That still does not make Dena's actions right or justified. All she had to do was take recourse through proper legal channels, rather than making a spectacle of herself across several blogs and forums, cackling madly about how she was going to take Cathy and FHOTD down. Flying Fig is absolutely right, she cheapens her concerns (valid or not) and she is shooting herself in the foot by continuing on her rampage, waging an unwinnable war.

Off to the feed store now, then duty calls for lessons. Will be back later to see what transpires while I am out earning a living. ;)

rosesr4evr said...

About the comments section:

Boo friggin hoo

Kaede said...

No snowballs here in February either. In fact, I do believe my daughter only has ever made one snowball in her life, when she was 6. It snowed a whole 1/2 inch and EVERYTHING was closed. So she put socks on her hands (she owned no gloves) and spent about a half hour collecting enough snow to make a snowball. I still have a picture of it.

mysanity said...

WOW, my high school speed reading class really came in handy. So this is the Snark N' Fart Blog?

Kaede said...

Would that make her a sock puppeteer?

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CharlesCityCat said...

Flying Fig and Dena:

Thanks, I am not either of the explanations of a sock puppet that were given, although I was accused of being one by a poster on FHOTD. Said poster implied that I might be Uenduphere, the Nazi/KKK loving head case.


Kaede:

I live in Southeastern Virginia, I understand where you are coming from. I actually hope for one decent snow a year. LOL!


Leonard_McCoy:

I work for a medical practice, we get the good stuff, Motrin 800mg. It is still far better than Advil.


As far as the Dena thing:

I am no expert on legal issues, but I do know something about medical disclosure. I do not understand why those court documents were so readily available on the internet. First, they had to deal with Mental Health/Substance Abuse issues, second, there were issues regarding minor children. Like I said, I don't know much about how court documents work, but in the medical field, which I do know a hell of alot about, these types of records are ultra-sensitive. If you think about it, it is very scary for everyone.

Anyway, I won't get into it anymore other than to say I understand why Dena is so focused on what was done to her.

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CharlesCityCat said...

No doubt Fugly hasn't been shut down, I personally never thought she would be. However, her cash cow has been shut down, at
least temporarily.


I hope everyone does know that no information, including medical info is 100% safe. I have been in the business since 1984. I know the ins and outs of how it works and how to get info. Just Sayin.

Drsgjunky said...

I'm thinking the powers to-be would have shut FHOTD down had they felt she violated the TOA. You don't get half shut down.

So now we have Fugly still posting at will, taking emails, then posting those later.

The only thing this accomplished?? It's now censored. Posters can’t post but the blog continues.

So at this point you can probably flag FHOTD hourly. It won’t matter.

Drsgjunky said...

Dang... I'll get the spelling right.

Kaede said...

Flying Fig do you live any where near (or perhaps have heard of) Brent and Becky's bulbs in Gloucester? I guess it is not truly south eastern VA, It would be more central eastern, but I'm told it is beautiful. Brent and Becky's have one of the most trusted garden eshops on the net.

Dena said...

Did anyone bother to read the terms and conditions and all subsequent help links attached all of this speculation would be completely unnecessary.

For suspected hate crimes the first thing they do is prohibit the commentary which just happens to be where most of the violations are to be found.

Then they investigate the blog itself as having possibly incited the crimes and/or violations by the content and meaning and information of the threads themselves.

Is there a relation as defined by federal law and/or blogger terms and conditions of use.
As, there is an obvious source of revenue involved with the private advertising fhotd provides there are additional considerations.

Have you all gone back and counted threads?
Did you have a record of all threads?
Are any threads missing?
Important considerations when attempting to speculate and present an opinion based on speculation.

And CCC you are as always correct.

To some of the rest of you, of course, it was personal.
Up close and personal.
And it has been and continues to be addressed through legal venues.

Think of the Amber alert. Think of John Walsh from Americas Most Wanted. And Jacob Wetterlings mother.
There are many examples of people who have chosen a path to help others based on personal tragedy.

That some continue to cry that the place that so many, to borrow a word from fugly, congregated, is no longer available to them in the face of ALL that has transpired?
Speaks volumes as to what was wrong with not only the place but some of the people.

There are some who know my purpose for acting in such roles, and some who only speculate.
In speculating you truly do not know.
Anything about that which you are speculating.

I will always remember the many protestations of, "This is the internet we can do anything on the internet." And "Freedom of Speech."
"The internet is not governed."
And the one that kept me up at night. "They deserved it because they put it on the internet."

No. They did not. No one deserves what some of you have used the internet to do.
With full knowledge of the harm you hoped to cause.

And it never came as a surprise to me that the biggest offenders and cyber bullies cried like little bitches when given a dose of their own medicine.
Angry, hurtful, meant to ridicule words, combined with a little exposure.

Who searches the internet for childrens photos and videos with the intent of making them a victim?
A predator.

And if, some of you still have no ability to see that?
Well it is probably too much to hope that you will not contribute your DNA to the gene pool that is humanity today.

Dena said...

Forgive me. I will amend before the technicality bloggers disregard based on one mistake.

One of the first things Blogger may do in suspected hate crimes is prohibit the commentary.
That usually would not happen unless they had reason to believe the terms and conditions of use have been violated.

Even fugly copped to the fact that blogger rules were broken.

Serendipity said...

Ah, nice vacation. Missed my bubbie like hell, though. I need to find a way to take the redhead with me next time.



I foresaw this happening. I knew that once it got to be one troll post for every commenter Fugly would shut the comments down, since the last time she considered it was when she was concerned about it becoming another ABR where a drug addict could scam the commenters for coke money. (Am I the only one who remembers exactly -why- she posted that comment in The Manure Pile?)

Ah well. Now it'll go back to being her personal blog, which was her original intent. I'm going to miss chatting with people there, but I see most of 'em on relevant blogs anyway.

Kaede said...

What is ABR?

Serendipity said...

Alex Brown Racing. Well-known for being able to raise a lot of money really fast to save a horse while 'the truck is coming!', but also known for being board filled with people that have been scammed in the past by certain unscrupulous individuals. They are learning, which is how the whole Dena fiasco got started.

Dena said...

The Alex Brown Racing Forum Kaede.

You know Serendip that little attempt to mislead would have maybe carried more weight if it wasn't for one simple fact.
Many of the those who you are attempting to mislead offered financial support and help.
And while, they were thanked for their kindness,
they were also informed, that it was not necessary at this time.
Nice try though. Really. As far as, cheap shots and attempts to deceive go.
Whose sock puppet are you? Need I even ask?

rosesr4evr said...

SFTS said...

What's the matter, roses, is watching your idol get as good as she gives heartwrenching for you? Get over it. She brought this on herself, just as she did all of her many other troubles in life, and now she is reaping the reward of being a vitriolic, unhinged bitch.

July 23, 2009 2:48 PM
_________________________________
"She brought this on herself" Oh, like that kid that has a RO against you? YOU followed her to FHOTD. I do remember that.

Dena can hold up for her self just fine and I really doubt that you're giving as good as you get. It's one thing to harass, stalk, obsess and threaten a kid, it's a whole different piece of cake when you decide to pick on someone in your own age group.

Dena,

you'd better stick to riding on the sidewalks or she might threaten to run you and pony over with her vehicle.

SFTS said...

rosesr4evr wrote:
"She brought this on herself" Oh, like that kid that has a RO against you? YOU followed her to FHOTD. I do remember that.
- - - - - - - -

Can't you read, roses? Or is that not one of your strong points?

JR stated that third parties, specifically mentioning buckinbo by name, were not to be brought to this blog.

Shit stirring FAIL.

Dena can hold up for her self just fine and I really doubt that you're giving as good as you get. It's one thing to harass, stalk, obsess and threaten a kid, it's a whole different piece of cake when you decide to pick on someone in your own age group.
- - - - - - - -

LMAO...where did I ever "harass, stalk, obsess and threaten" ANYONE, let alone any "kid"?? Oh, do tell.

I would watch how easily you might fall down that slippery slope you're on, roses.

Serendipity said...

Oh, I knew you couldn't resist, Crazy Dena. At least you found a legitimate way to shorten my name. Seren might be easier for you, since I know you'll be screaming gibberish long after I've gone to bed.

Sorry, no attempts to mislead from me. If it occurred, it is because I am just that awesome.

And maybe it is just me, but if I suffered a massive judgment FAIL, I would have liked to be informed by a relevant party whose opinion I trusted. Being told directly is obviously preferable to stumbling across a related rant on a separate board, but then I'm pretty easy about that sort of thing. (Yeah Fugly, you dropped the ball.)

I do owe Eleanor Abernathy another apology though, as I completely misinterpreted you. From your behavior, I had assumed you were schizophrenic. When I reread your record more closely, I saw it was simply described as a personality disorder. It's been many years since I sat at the front row in Psych class, but there wouldn't be an 'Antisocial' in front of that phrase, would there?

Suddenly your son's rabbit disappearing makes a lot more sense.

Kaede said...

Thanks for the information.

rosesr4evr said...

SFTS,

I didn't mention anyone by name, although you're awful quick to name the one that first comes to your mind though aren't you??

RO's are very rarely applied unjustly, so it's more likely you had/have been doing something along those lines.

So you and Serendipity can bring up ABR, reference her past, paste her personal medical/mental/legal info and it's all good??

rosesr4evr said...

Slippery slope I'm on?? And just what slope would that be?? *Prey, do tell!

*and yes I know it's misspelled.

Dena said...

For someone lecturing and questioning another on their reading skills SFTS you should reread JRs comment.
And you really are displaying rather obsessive tendencies yourself.

As for Serendipity roses she has always been like that.
She is one of those superior types that frequented The Manure Pile under The Litter Box.
Far too classy for the likes of you and I.
She thinks she's witty and profound with her angst masquerading as a sarcasm.
She should also get her speshul princess self off her horses forehand so he doesn't keep falling down and scraping his knees. Poor Bubbies...

flying fig said...

>>FF, I am simply returning the favor from when she posted my emails to her on another blog of hers, the "Up Yours Sunshine" blog.<<

Lovely, SFTS - so why respond in kind? An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth and the whole world winds up blind and toothless...

>>They are learning, which is how the whole Dena fiasco got started.<<

All too true. Dena, that ^^^ is not misleading. You chose to post on ABR and ask them to send money for your power bill. Because they were learning not to just dish out cash to everyone who asked them to, they asked questions. They needed answers. Answers that you would likely expect from someone making a similar request that you did not know. You were upset and annoyed that they dared question you - and went off on them... and that is how that mess got started. You focussed the attention on yourself to start with, unfortunately.

You have repeatedly said that illegal things were going on at FHOTD... and you have slung the term Hate Crimes around freely - as easily as if you were saying "do you want fries with that?"

That is a very loaded term... and I never saw anything that came close to a hate crime at FHOTD. Your ranting at buckd off about what an evil Jewess she was leaned that way a bit, though - and was completely inappropriate...

So I checked out the Google Blogger Content Policy again... and the things that can get your blog/account nuked - which FHOTD was not. As I said - without that public counterbalance that one could find in the comments on almost every issue - and often corrections about what she said - it is now going to continue unhindered by such inconveniences. Gee - what a great idea! << sarcasm

Anyway - on the subject of Hate Crimes as per Google...

>>HATEFUL CONTENT: Users may not publish material that promotes hate toward groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity.<<

I never saw that going on. Apparently Google did not either. The odd mention of rednecks or hillbillies is not a hate crime.

It seems that threats are not big with Google...

>>VIOLENT CONTENT: Users may not publish direct threats of violence against any person or group of people.<<

Good thing you only suggested/hinted at such things...

Maybe there was a link to something that was copyrighted somewhere on the net...

>>COPYRIGHT: It is our policy to respond to clear notices of alleged copyright infringement. More information about our copyright procedures can be found here.<<

Still not a hate crime, though.

I have seen phone numbers and addresses on the blog and in the comments - but those are accessible to anyone via Google itself (even court records, apparently - that is the MN courts' fault) or whitepages.com. I have never seen anything like this..

>>PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION: We do not allow the unauthorized publishing of people's private and confidential information, such as credit card numbers, Social Security Numbers, and driver's and other license numbers.<<

to be continued...

flying fig said...

....here.

I am too long-winded for Blogger's liking tonight.

Sock monkeys (as in the true internet definition) also do not go over big with Google. Right now there is a fuglyhorseoftheday posting to say assorted ridiculous things that is not Cathy. This Fugly cannot grasp the difference between your and you're... and definitely falls under this category..

>>IMPERSONATION: We do not allow impersonation of others through our services in a manner that is intended to or does mislead or confuse others.<<

... and Google would have access to IPs etc.

You continually lecture us about all the illegal stuff that went on there... that I never saw - beyond the odd kid getting called out. That was inappropriate but usually the parents were held to task for that behaviour.

>>UNLAWFUL USE OF SERVICES: Our products and services should not be used for unlawful purposes or for promotion of dangerous and illegal activities. Your account may be terminated and you may be reported to the appropriate authorities.<<

If any truly illegal was going on, Google would not hesitate to nuke the whole blog. They have to cover their asses if there is even a whiff of such things.

Anyway - I am sure that all of that ^^^ will be airily dismissed.

Bones - please do not be a stranger.

JR - thanks for addressing the request for moderation.

GL ..... just thanks. For The Horses.

Sorry to be so longwinded. Feel free to print this page out and use it to put in your budgie's cage... or under your new puppy. Or better yet, take it to Pike Place Market in Seattle and have them wrap a fish in it! :-)

littledog said...

Flying Fig, thank you!
Absolutely, what's the point of having a discussion if it's censored? I considered FHOTD comments "educational" because of all the links people would add--interesting, informative, often funny stuff that I would never find in a million years of googling--more than what Cathy herself said. I consider her just another source of information, a stepping stone to do more research. If that makes me a "sheeple", so be it.

And until recently, even discussions that got heated, flung around curses and degenerated into crap, pretty much rolled around back to the topic and brought up good points.
Aw, what the hell, let's stir up more shit.
click here

And I doubt the Mayo Clinic is going to sue me for linking them here.

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